> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:12:47 -0600
> From: "Dave Logsdon"
> Subject: RE: Rama
>
> From: Brett Sargeant [mailto:bsarge@...]
>
> "It is based on an O'Neill Cylinder."
>
> That was my assumption too, until I realized that Clarke's book
> was copyrighted in `73, three years before O'Neill's! Perhaps,
> some of O'Neill's students read Clarke, and borrowed some ideas?
> Either way, the design is sound, but it does cause one furiously
> to wonder...
>
> I'm not saying we need to start calling the habitats `Clarkes',
> but if this checks out, I might have to start a campaign to make
> sure the first one is named after the correct person. Hmmm...

It goes back at least as far as 1964. Read "Islands in Space: the
Challenge of the Planetoids" by Dandridge M. Cole and Donald W. Cox.
In this book, there is a chapter called "Hollowed-Out Worlds" devoted
to this very topic.

And in the picture section of that book there is a great painting of a
cylinder world habitat. Someone really should scan this picture and
put it in the pictures section of the Yahoo spacesettlers site.

This book was ahead of its time and probably influenced many of the
ideas that later went into the L5 Society and others. I recommend it;
it can probably be found at some of the larger libraries.

--- In spacesettlers, "millenial70" wrote:

> It goes back at least as far as 1964. Read "Islands in Space: the
> Challenge of the Planetoids" by Dandridge M. Cole and Donald W. Cox.
> In this book, there is a chapter called "Hollowed-Out Worlds"
> devoted to this very topic.
>
> And in the picture section of that book there is a great painting
> of a cylinder world habitat. Someone really should scan this
> picture and put it in the pictures section of the Yahoo
> spacesettlers site.

Is this it? http://davidszondy.com/future/space/asteroid.htm

> This book was ahead of its time and probably influenced many of the
> ideas that later went into the L5 Society and others. I recommend
> it; it can probably be found at some of the larger libraries.

Xenophile

--- In spacesettlers, "millenial70" wrote:

>It goes back at least as far as 1964. Read "Islands in Space: the
>Challenge of the Planetoids" by Dandridge M. Cole and Donald W. Cox.
>In this book, there is a chapter called "Hollowed-Out Worlds"
>devoted to this very topic.
>
>And in the picture section of that book there is a great painting
>of a cylinder world habitat. Someone really should scan this
>picture and put it in the pictures section of the Yahoo
>spacesettlers site.

"Xenophile" responded:

"Is this it? http://davidszondy.com/future/space/asteroid.htm"

YES! This is the drawing I saw in that old book from the 1960s that I've
mentioned in an earlier post. (I think it was here that I commented on it;
or possibly on the OA site.) So the book must be "Islands in Space." The
drawing that I remember was a mirror image of the one you linked to, and was
in black and white. But that's it, no doubt.

I've always wanted to get my hands on this drawing.
I will name my first born after you. "Xenophile" is okay for either a boy
or a girl, yes?

--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophile" wrote:
> >
> > And in the picture section of that book there is a great painting
> > of a cylinder world habitat. Someone really should scan this
> > picture and put it in the pictures section of the Yahoo
> > spacesettlers site.
>
> Is this it? http://davidszondy.com/future/space/asteroid.htm
>
> Xenophile

That is one of the two pictures of the habitat that was in the book.
The painting I was thinking of, though, is of a view from inside.

--- In spacesettlers, "Michael Capriola" wrote:

> "Xenophile" responded:

>> "Is this it? http://davidszondy.com/future/space/asteroid.htm"

> YES! This is the drawing I saw in that old book from the 1960s
> that I've mentioned in an earlier post. (I think it was here that I
> commented on it; or possibly on the OA site.) So the book must
> be "Islands in Space." The drawing that I remember was a mirror
> image of the one you linked to, and was in black and white. But
> that's it, no doubt.

>From your description, I thought that this must be it.

> I've always wanted to get my hands on this drawing.
> I will name my first born after you. "Xenophile" is okay for
> either a boy or a girl, yes?

I should think so. Anybody here know Greek? Do proper nouns shift
for gender?

Xenophile (who hopes your kid is never asked "Does that mean you're
afraid of the Warrior Princess?")

"Michael Capriola" wrote:
>> I will name my first born after you.
>> "Xenophile" is okay for either a boy or a girl, yes?

Xenophile wrote:
> I should think so. Anybody here know Greek?
> Do proper nouns shift for gender?

Yes, but _xenophile_ appears to be an English coinage, and the gendered
ending was stripped when -phile was adopted into English.

I don't know much Greek but my dictionary has _philoxenos, philoxen_
`hospitable'. (In some dialects the feminine -a did not shift to -.)

--
Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/
obsolete since 21 December 2001

--- In spacesettlers, Anton Sherwood wrote:

> "Michael Capriola" wrote:

>>> I will name my first born after you.
>>> "Xenophile" is okay for either a boy or a girl, yes?

> Xenophile wrote:

>> I should think so. Anybody here know Greek?
>> Do proper nouns shift for gender?

> Yes, but _xenophile_ appears to be an English coinage, and the
> gendered ending was stripped when -phile was adopted into English.

Interesting. I chose the name because it would be the opposite of
xenophobe, and because I enjoyed the Phil Foglio comic.

> I don't know much Greek but my dictionary has _philoxenos,
> philoxen_ `hospitable'. (In some dialects the feminine -a did not
> shift to -.)

Again, interesting. But philoxenos seems to be an adjective. It
would be like English to take Greek words and turn them inside-out.

Hi Friends:

I dont know about the name "Xenophile" in Greek. That is interesting.
However I do know Spanish (language related to Latin), and in that
language the equivalent to Xenophile is "Amador", a Man that loves
everybody, mainly women, but also the whole humanity :)

Regards,

Omar Vega

--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophile"
wrote:
>
> --- In spacesettlers, Anton Sherwood wrote:
>
> > "Michael Capriola" wrote:
>
> >>> I will name my first born after you.
> >>> "Xenophile" is okay for either a boy or a girl, yes?
>
> > Xenophile wrote:
>
> >> I should think so. Anybody here know Greek?
> >> Do proper nouns shift for gender?
>
> > Yes, but _xenophile_ appears to be an English coinage, and the
> > gendered ending was stripped when -phile was adopted into English.
>
> Interesting. I chose the name because it would be the opposite of
> xenophobe, and because I enjoyed the Phil Foglio comic.
>
> > I don't know much Greek but my dictionary has _philoxenos,
> > philoxen_ `hospitable'. (In some dialects the feminine -a did
not

Xenophile wrote:
> Again, interesting. But philoxenos seems to be an adjective. . . .

Many names are adjectives.

--
Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/
obsolete since 21 December 2001