Dear Larry and Friends,
My response to Ray Kurzweil's thesis is GOD
FORBID!!!!! "Most of us will become gods". NOT BLOODY LIKELY!!!!!!! MOST OF US
WILL FACE THE TYRANNY OF RICH AND IMMORTAL OVERLORDS!!!!!!!! Larry this
critique is not a personal attack on you.nor Ray. I have always admired Ray's
work in developing technologies that have helped people with disabiliites. And
with the way things have been going for me personally healthwise I may be
needing Ray's reading machine within the next couple of years or sooner.
The world is already divided by economic and technological disparity as it is.
This development will only lead to even greater divisions in the human family.
In my old age I am finding myself increasingly conservative and can no longer
support the transhumanist cause nor useless extravaganzas of sending the rich on
cislunar holiday tours. In recent months the rich nations of the World dragged
their feet to raise just a few million dollars to prevent a famine in the
African nation of Niger. Where are our priorities?
I have always supported the space program and still do. But, what happed to the
grassroots support for such programs as Solar Power Satellites, Alternative
Energy, Global Education via Telecommunications Satellites, and Space
Industralization that could allivate global poverty? Why has the whole space
movement gone astray?
My stomach turns at the whole prospect of the immortal rich enjoying holiday
tours of the heavens while the vast majority of humanity wallows in abject
poverty. What happened to Science in the service of humanity? What next "Life
Styles of the Rich and Immortal on Holovision"?
Alex Michael Bonnici
LARRY KLAES wrote:
In a message dated 8/15/05 6:57:51 PM, albonnici@... writes:
holiday
tours of the heavens while the vast majority of humanity wallows in abject
poverty. What happened to Science in the service of humanity? What next "Life
Styles of the Rich and Immortal on Holovision"? >>
You sound like a man complaining about the fact so only the rich can fly
airplanes back in 1920's right before somebody took this air transport market to a
new level. It's called scaling up. You start simple business, keeping your
overhead small so that the limited market of wealthy can bring you enough
profits to create new products that will expand the market to more and more
people. By the way, the richest man in history John Rockfeller has always
considered his mission to produce and move oil in such a cost-effective way that he can
create cheap oil for every body who need it.
Beside, didn't Darwin said that variation is a key to evolution? If everyb
ody were alike, there would be no evolution and therefore no new market to open.
Carl Mullin, President
Van Gogh Mobile Company
3545 Tiemann Ave., 2Fl.
Bronx, NY 10469
718-231-7063
cell 646-240-0045
ravenart@...
The more you love, the more you can love-and the more intensely you love.
Nor is there any limit on how many you can love.
If a person had time enough, he could love all of the majority who are decent
and just.
-Robert A. Heinlein (Time Enough For Love)
Well, what can be done about it? Tell rich people they can't spend
their own money? Tell business they aren't allowed to offer for sale
any product or service that average people can't afford? Tell old
people they have to die, because some of us are worried about Immortal
Overlords? Tell the entire Baby Boom Generation, in a couple of
decades, that they aren't allowed to use the new medical technology to
save their own lives? Good luck.
bring the blessings of technology to rest of us, not trying to take it
away from those who already have it. Ask yourself, what upsets me?
Does it bother me more that some are rich, or that many are poor? In
all truth, railing against the rich is easier than helping the poor.
Taking away some billionaire's cislunar cruise won't feed one starving
child in Africa, or anywhere else. Raising taxes on the rich might
pay for some stuff like that, but raising taxes on the rich to the
point where they aren't rich anymore has no support; not among the
rich, not among the middle class, not among the poor. I know that
there are some (most of them not exactly on food stamps themselves,
to be honest) who advocate such things, but their are also those who
advocate legalizing prostitution and marijuana, and they outnumber the
"tax the rich into poverty" crowd. Besides, the more rich people
there are, the more taxes they will pay, even if it isn't at a 95%
rate. Also, who will be able to invest in a powersat company if
nobody has lots of money?
I fully agree that powersats, asteroid mining, and expanding into a
new frontier are much, much more important than a boy-band singer
getting to go to ISS, or some billionaire going around the moon. But
we won't get our powersats, or any of the rest of it, until the world
realizes that you don't have to have the Right Stuff to go into space.
To test untried experimental equipment in space, yes, but not just to
be there. And the world realizes that rich folks have no more Right
Stuff than the rest of us. More money, but not more Right Stuff.
And, we need to bring launch costs down. That takes volume, and it
seems that only passenger travel can provide it. Everything else that
might provide volume has to have CATS first, and CATS has to have
volume. Only pleasure trips provide a market *before* CATS, and oh so
much more market once the meowing starts.
I know that some of the anti-gub'mint types here won't like this, but
longevity *will* be available to the masses, whether the rich give it
away out of the goodness of their hearts, or because the government
gives it away. Telling a whole generation that some social classes
get to live forever (or even just a very long time), while the poor
shmucks without bucks have to sicken and die, has got to be the best
formula for creating chaos that could possibly be imagined. In the
words of Den Valdron: "I cannot imagine anything more calculated to
produce ferocious class schisms than a selectively administered
longevity serum. For the poor and disenfranchised, every gray hair,
every wrinkle, every creak would be a call to revolution. The aging
and deaths of friends, relatives and family would feel like an assault
by the immortal classes."
Valdron is speaking here about the science fictional world of Amtor,
but think about it. The same would be true on Earth. So yes, most of
us will become gods, because it will be too dangerous if only some do.
EGADS! but I seem to be running off at the keyboard today!
On 8/16/05, Xenophile wrote:
> Well, what can be done about it? Tell rich people they can't spend
> their own money? Tell business they aren't allowed to offer for sale
> any product or service that average people can't afford? Tell old
> people they have to die, because some of us are worried about Immortal
> Overlords? Tell the entire Baby Boom Generation, in a couple of
> decades, that they aren't allowed to use the new medical technology to
> save their own lives? Good luck.
(...)
> I know that some of the anti-gub'mint types here won't like this, but
> longevity *will* be available to the masses, whether the rich give it
> away out of the goodness of their hearts, or because the government
> gives it away. Telling a whole generation that some social classes
> get to live forever (or even just a very long time), while the poor
> shmucks without bucks have to sicken and die, has got to be the best
> formula for creating chaos that could possibly be imagined. In the
> words of Den Valdron: "I cannot imagine anything more calculated to
> produce ferocious class schisms than a selectively administered
> longevity serum. For the poor and disenfranchised, every gray hair,
> every wrinkle, every creak would be a call to revolution. The aging
> and deaths of friends, relatives and family would feel like an assault
> by the immortal classes."
(...)
Well, I am not so sure that a elite of rich people living 700 years
while the rest of the population continues to live only 70 will bring
social chaos and stuff. The fact is that rich people *already*
statistically live more than poor people. We can check that, for
instance, in the average life expectancy of people in the developed
countries (some in the over 80 years range) versus the same number for
developing countries (some of them probably still in the under 60
years range). Even though there is this already noticeable gap, I have
never seen terrorists or guerrillas or anything like in poor
populations fighting against the Long-Lived Infidel Imperialists
because they are long-lived, but rather because they are either
infidel or imperialist, or both (in their point of view).
One more thing, one very rich man, billionaire John Sperling of Apollo Group
is spending his own billions to develop cloning and other tools to prolong
human life because he want this to be a blessing for EVERYBODY. That's also my
dream too, to create living space for everybody in space, to open new
resources, and to enable anybody who wish to live practically forever at low price.
This take research and business plans to work out the how. Henry Ford have to
start small first, enginnering cars for few people before he can find a way to
create a process that would manufactured cars at low price for "common man."
not always accurate. We're too independant for reason of evolution.
Carl Mullin, President
Van Gogh Mobile Company
3545 Tiemann Ave., 2Fl.
Bronx, NY 10469
718-231-7063
cell 646-240-0045
ravenart@...
The more you love, the more you can love-and the more intensely you love.
Nor is there any limit on how many you can love.
If a person had time enough, he could love all of the majority who are decent
and just.
-Robert A. Heinlein (Time Enough For Love)
--- In spacesettlers, Ravenart wrote:
> Apollo Group is spending his own billions to develop cloning and
> other tools to prolong human life because he want this to be a
> blessing for EVERYBODY.
John Sperling of Apollo Group is doing exactly what I recommended in
my earlier post: bringing the blessings of technology to the many,
instead of taking them away from the few. Make us ALL imortal,
instead of trying to make sure that NONE of us are. Good for him. A
good example of how being rich does not automatically mean being evil.
Something that is forgotten from time to time.
> That's also my dream too, to create living space for everybody in
> space, to open new resources, and to enable anybody who wish to live
> practically forever at low price.
I think that most of us here share this dream.
> This take research and business plans to work out the how. Henry
> Ford have to start small first, enginnering cars for few people
> before he can find a way to create a process that would manufactured
> cars at low price for "common man."
Henry Ford caused a sensation when he raised wages "through the roof,"
and was called a traitor to his class. We need more such "traitors."
> This just go to show that trying to put individuals into one easy
> group is not always accurate. We're too independant for reason of
> evolution.
Yes. This is why I don't worry so much about Immortal Overlords.
Rich folks tend to have the same decency as the rest of us (of course,
that may not be saying much). And the working class, the middle
class, the poor, they are not as complacent as many assume.
--- In spacesettlers, Lucio de Souza Coelho wrote:
Sure, you say that now. Just wait until they use for cannon fodder in
one of their wars. After al, if you get blown to smitherines, you
only lose a few decades (at most). But one of them would lose an
eternity.
>> In the words of Den Valdron: "I cannot imagine anything more
>> calculated to produce ferocious class schisms than a selectively
>> administered longevity serum. For the poor and disenfranchised,
>> every gray hair, every wrinkle, every creak would be a call to
>> revolution. The aging and deaths of friends, relatives and family
>> would feel like an assault by the immortal classes."
> Well, I am not so sure that a elite of rich people living 700 years
> while the rest of the population continues to live only 70 will bring
> social chaos and stuff. The fact is that rich people *already*
> statistically live more than poor people. We can check that, for
> instance, in the average life expectancy of people in the developed
> countries (some in the over 80 years range) versus the same number
> for developing countries (some of them probably still in the under 60
> years range). Even though there is this already noticeable gap, I
> have never seen terrorists or guerrillas or anything like in poor
> populations fighting against the Long-Lived Infidel Imperialists
> because they are long-lived, but rather because they are either
> infidel or imperialist, or both (in their point of view).
It is one thing if I live in a society where I, and most other people
I am ever going to meet, live to be sixty, while hearing that in a far
away land some people will live one and a third times as long as I
will. I don't have to see it, I might not even believe it, and
anyway, it's only another twenty years.
It is quite another be sixty, know that I have ten or twenty years
left, and to see people in the same city in which I live looking
young, despite having been born in my grandfather's time, a
grandfather I lost ten years ago due to old age, and to know that the
Immortals will still be in the flower of youthful health and vigor
when my darling little granddaughter draws her last gasping breath in
an old folks home. And all because they won't let my grandparents, my
parents, me, my children, or my grandchildren have a treatment that is
known to work. Most of my aunts and uncles are dead, and those who
still live face the same infirmities of age that I do, only more so.
My children will face them about the same time that I draw that last
breath. And there the Immortals sit, forever twenty, as everybody I
have ever loved dies around them, needing only that treatment that
*they* have already partaken of.
GGGGGRRRRR!!!!! Where's my gun? Hell, I'll only be losing a decade
or two if they shoot me, but maybe I'll get to take one of those
ageless bastards with me!
Now take that and multiply it by 85% or so of the population.
Isn't this the plot for the whole "Red Mars" series? --
Felicia
In a message dated 8/16/05 7:47:28 PM, xenophile2002@... writes:
and was called a traitor to his class. We need more such "traitors." >>
I never heard of such thing. If this happened, that is because he agreeing
to the union demand for 8 hour, 5 day work week, something that a lot of otther
businesses were resisting to. That is the real reason for the "traitor" talk
if real. As for this salary raise, Ford did this to enable his own workers
to buy his cars. But, keep in mind that this seriously put a pressure on the
profit margin, and so this raise last only a year before falling back to more
average level for what is after all really unskilled labor. Screwing a car door
after car door is not skilled. It's designing a better car that is skilled.
So is designing a system that can bring down the overhead costs, which is
what Ford did. That made him skilled.
Carl Mullin, President
Van Gogh Mobile Company
3545 Tiemann Ave., 2Fl.
Bronx, NY 10469
718-231-7063
cell 646-240-0045
ravenart@...
The more you love, the more you can love-and the more intensely you love.
Nor is there any limit on how many you can love.
If a person had time enough, he could love all of the majority who are decent
and just.
-Robert A. Heinlein (Time Enough For Love)
--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "Felicia" wrote:
> Isn't this the plot for the whole "Red Mars" series? --
> Felicia
otherwise we shall suffer an eternity in purgatory having to endlessly
read the godawful piece of trash.
TangoMan
> From: Xenophile
> And all because they won't let my grandparents, my
> parents, me, my children, or my grandchildren have a treatment that is
> known to work.
south/north to get the equivolent treatment in New Mexico/Canada, then quite
frankly they would not have my sympathy. ;)
This is a common problem with some futurists. They fail to realise (or for
various reasons chose not to) that the rest of the world will react in
different ways to any given event.
John
--- In spacesettlers, "ANTIcarrot." wrote:
>> And all because they won't let my grandparents, my parents, me, my
>> children, or my grandchildren have a treatment that is known to
>> work.
> If any person in such a world was really too stupid to go five
> hundred miles south/north to get the equivolent treatment in New
> Mexico/Canada, then quite frankly they would not have my sympathy. ;)
Too stupid? Or too broke? But yeah, I can see this happening. Would
maybe shut up the "all the Canadians are coming here!!" jabber.
Then again, would the Mexican and Canadian governments really be
willing to pay for an expensive treatment for 300 million Americans?
Or might they be more likely to declare: "That's your country's
problem." Or do we just assume that the "Longevity Refugees" pay for
it themselves? And if they can do that, then why didn't they just do
that in their own back yards? Is the treatment less expensive in
Canada and Mexico? How much cheaper? WHY cheaper? And do the LR's
have enough, having spent so much on travel? How much time off work
do I need? Will my boss agree? Will I be arrested coming back to the US?
A lot of people can't afford to just "go five hundred miles" like
that, at least, not without subjecting themselves and their offspring
to several decades of grinding poverty. They might decide that it is
worth it, seeing that they would have so many decades to pull
themselves out of the LR debt they have incurred, but still. Then
again, if the family has to do this for each person, then they are
committed to an eternity of debt, which they are likely to resent as
much as a lack of longevity. And how embarrassing does the US
government consider it that hundreds of million of their citizens are
leaving the country because Uncle Sam wants to play Mr. Tightwad?
What will happen is that the treatment, when it is invented, will be
available, right here in the good ol' US of A, to anybody who wants
it, just like it will be in Mexico, Canada, Sweden, Japan, etc. This
will happen in any nation that wants to avoids either rioting,
revolution, or massive flight across their borders (and the bordering
nations don't want that either).
> This is a common problem with some futurists. They fail to realise
> (or for various reasons chose not to) that the rest of the world will
> react in different ways to any given event.
>
> John
I agree. But they also tend to overestimate what ordinary people will
put up with. And a life of aging, sickness, and death for themselves
and their loved ones is something up with which they will not put.
--- In spacesettlers, "Xenophile" wrote:
> put up with. And a life of aging, sickness, and death for themselves
> and their loved ones is something up with which they will not put.
Was supposed to read:
||I agree. But they also tend to overestimate what ordinary people
will put up with. And a life of aging, sickness, and death for
themselves and their loved ones while the rich maintain youthful
health and vigor forever is something up with which they will not put.||
"while the rich maintain youthful health and vigor forever" was what I
had left out.
On 8/17/05, victoriatangoman wrote:
(...)
> Shhhh! We must not utter the name of the book that cannot be named
> otherwise we shall suffer an eternity in purgatory having to endlessly
> read the godawful piece of trash.
(...)
to suffer eternally in Purgatory because after some (admittedly long)
time in there all your sins will be purged and then you will ascend to
Heaven.
However, since I liked the RGB Mars Trilogy, that will make me go
straight to Hell?
;-)
--- In spacesettlers, Lucio de Souza Coelho wrote:
>> Shhhh! We must not utter the name of the book that cannot be named
>> otherwise we shall suffer an eternity in purgatory having to
>> endlessly read the godawful piece of trash.
> As a guy born in a Catholic family, I should say that it is
> impossible to suffer eternally in Purgatory because after some
> (admittedly long) time in there all your sins will be purged and then
> you will ascend to Heaven.
>
> However, since I liked the RGB Mars Trilogy, that will make me go
> straight to Hell?
>
> ;-)
Go to Hell. Go directly to Hell. Do not pass GO. Do not collect
$200. But hey, according to the Gospel of Peter, everybody gets out
eventually.
Just kidding. We in this list are all going to a Paradise of our own
making.
> From: Xenophile
> --- In spacesettlers, "ANTIcarrot." wrote:
> > If any person in such a world was really too stupid to go five
> > hundred miles south/north to get the equivolent treatment in New
> > Mexico/Canada, then quite frankly they would not have my sympathy. ;)
> willing to pay for an expensive treatment for 300 million Americans?
Your forgetting market forces. The treatment centers would try and make it
available to as many as possible to increase their profits. They will also
want/need new customers on a continual basis for decades. Eventually mass
production and market forces will push the price down. And if you're going
to live forever you can afford a long term loan can't you?
> [rest of silly questions]
That's what science fiction stories are for.
John
--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophile"
> --- In spacesettlers, "Xenophile" wrote:
>
> > I agree. But they also tend to overestimate what ordinary people will
> > put up with. And a life of aging, sickness, and death for themselves
> > and their loved ones is something up with which they will not put.
>
> Was supposed to read:
>
> ||I agree. But they also tend to overestimate what ordinary people
> will put up with. And a life of aging, sickness, and death for
> themselves and their loved ones while the rich maintain youthful
> health and vigor forever is something up with which they will not put.||
>
> "while the rich maintain youthful health and vigor forever" was what I
> had left out.
Just as there are no working space settlements, there is no proven
immortality treatment.
Consider what it takes to prove a group has had immortality treatment.
It will take at least 25 years of observing them.
It also depends on your definition of immortality.
Back in the fifties, there was a comic book (Possibly Strange
Adventures) that had a story on immortality. Some group had a quick
check. They shot the immortal. If he died, he obviously wasn't immortal!
JJ Coupling's sf story "Invariant" had the story of an immortal that
lived with his dog until the 30th century. Unfortunately his body
would go on for about an hour, then revert to exactly what it was when
he took the immortality drug. Mentally as well as physically.
And how is the human memory supposed to span even hundreds of years?
Algis Budrys had a story with an effective cover of a man with an
artifical memory cask chained to his wrist. Possibily "End of Summer"
Astounding Nov. '54.
Immortality is a very complicated matter. It might not work the way
people want it to.
Rick Brooks
--- In spacesettlers, "Richard" wrote:
>
> Just as there are no working space settlements, there is no proven
> immortality treatment.
True. And immortality (or even extreme longevity) is more speculative
than space habitats. After all, we already know the physics and most
of the engineering for habitats, and just need to figure out the
economics, politics, etc. We don't have near as much understanding of
the biology that would allow for immortality (or even extreme longevity).
> Consider what it takes to prove a group has had immortality
> treatment.
Or, in most cases that we are discussing, that they are very
long-lived. You couldn't ever actually prove that somebody was
immortal (Type II), because there would always be the possibility that
he'd get old and die in the *next* thousand years.
> It will take at least 25 years of observing them.
My scenario was of a sixty year old man resenting the beautiful young
people who had been born at the same time as his grandfather. I think
that should be long enough. I wasn't suggesting that the riots would
start next Tuesday.
> It also depends on your definition of immortality.
A *VERY* good point, and I happen to have written something about
this. I will post soon.
> Back in the fifties, there was a comic book (Possibly Strange
> Adventures) that had a story on immortality. Some group had a quick
> check. They shot the immortal. If he died, he obviously wasn't
> immortal!
LOL! Type III or Type IV. Most people, when they talk of "scientists
discovering immortality" mean simply that you don't get old. Type II.
Getting shot is still something to worry about. Yep, I need to post it.
> JJ Coupling's sf story "Invariant" had the story of an immortal that
> lived with his dog until the 30th century. Unfortunately his body
> would go on for about an hour, then revert to exactly what it was
> when he took the immortality drug. Mentally as well as physically.
Well, that would sure fix the "Immortals will be terribly board"
problem, I guess.
But yeah, there are a lot of stories about how terribly, terribly
horrendous it would be to live forever, and how lucky we are that we
don't. Sour grapes. Besides, talk is pretty cheap when you can just
say "I wouldn't want to live forever!" because, after all, you ain't
a'gonna whether you want to or not. Let the option appear, and I'll
bet that a lot of folks who write these stories will be happy to line
up outside the clinics, or riot, or go five hundred miles to Canada,
or whatever.
> And how is the human memory supposed to span even hundreds of years?
The human memory is known to be good for at least one hundred ten
years, if not diseased. A technology that can give us immortality (or
serious longevity) can figure out, in less than one hundred ten years,
how to give us "quark memory brain chips," or something else that
solves the problem.
> Algis Budrys had a story with an effective cover of a man with an
> artifical memory cask chained to his wrist. Possibily "End of
> Summer" Astounding Nov. '54.
There you go. ;) But it would actually be incorporated into your new
Quark 1080 Brain (standard options). You don't expect immortals to
settle for biology, do you?
> Immortality is a very complicated matter. It might not work the way
> people want it to.
Not at first. But it will be refined, like any other technology. I
expect to see habitats before any longevity beyond 150% of
unaugmented, though.
--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophile"
> --- In spacesettlers, "Richard" wrote:
>
> > Okay, gang. Time for a reality check.
> >
> > Just as there are no working space settlements, there is no proven
> > immortality treatment.
>
> True. And immortality (or even extreme longevity) is more speculative
> than space habitats. After all, we already know the physics and most
> of the engineering for habitats, and just need to figure out the
> economics, politics, etc. We don't have near as much understanding of
> the biology that would allow for immortality (or even extreme
longevity).
>
> > Consider what it takes to prove a group has had immortality
> > treatment.
>
> Or, in most cases that we are discussing, that they are very
> long-lived. You couldn't ever actually prove that somebody was
> immortal (Type II), because there would always be the possibility that
> he'd get old and die in the *next* thousand years.
>
> > It will take at least 25 years of observing them.
>
> My scenario was of a sixty year old man resenting the beautiful young
> people who had been born at the same time as his grandfather. I think
> that should be long enough. I wasn't suggesting that the riots would
> start next Tuesday.
>
> > It also depends on your definition of immortality.
>
> A *VERY* good point, and I happen to have written something about
> this. I will post soon.
>
> > Back in the fifties, there was a comic book (Possibly Strange
> > Adventures) that had a story on immortality. Some group had a quick
> > check. They shot the immortal. If he died, he obviously wasn't
> > immortal!
>
> LOL! Type III or Type IV. Most people, when they talk of "scientists
> discovering immortality" mean simply that you don't get old. Type II.
> Getting shot is still something to worry about. Yep, I need to
post it.
>
> > JJ Coupling's sf story "Invariant" had the story of an immortal that
> > lived with his dog until the 30th century. Unfortunately his body
> > would go on for about an hour, then revert to exactly what it was
> > when he took the immortality drug. Mentally as well as physically.
>
> Well, that would sure fix the "Immortals will be terribly board"
> problem, I guess.
>
> But yeah, there are a lot of stories about how terribly, terribly
> horrendous it would be to live forever, and how lucky we are that we
> don't. Sour grapes. Besides, talk is pretty cheap when you can just
> say "I wouldn't want to live forever!" because, after all, you ain't
> a'gonna whether you want to or not. Let the option appear, and I'll
> bet that a lot of folks who write these stories will be happy to line
> up outside the clinics, or riot, or go five hundred miles to Canada,
> or whatever.
>
> > And how is the human memory supposed to span even hundreds of years?
>
> The human memory is known to be good for at least one hundred ten
> years, if not diseased. A technology that can give us immortality (or
> serious longevity) can figure out, in less than one hundred ten years,
> how to give us "quark memory brain chips," or something else that
> solves the problem.
>
> > Algis Budrys had a story with an effective cover of a man with an
> > artifical memory cask chained to his wrist. Possibily "End of
> > Summer" Astounding Nov. '54.
>
> There you go. ;) But it would actually be incorporated into your new
> Quark 1080 Brain (standard options). You don't expect immortals to
> settle for biology, do you?
>
> > Immortality is a very complicated matter. It might not work the way
> > people want it to.
>
> Not at first. But it will be refined, like any other technology. I
> expect to see habitats before any longevity beyond 150% of
> unaugmented, though.
>
> > Rick Brooks
mentioned. On the point of death, have all your memories downloaded
into a computer. You'd "live" as long as the computer had power.
This type of immortality seems a lot nearer term than the rest.
Rick Brooks
--- In spacesettlers, "Richard" wrote:
> mentioned. On the point of death, have all your memories downloaded
> into a computer. You'd "live" as long as the computer had power.
This is the most likely route to Type IV Immortality.
> This type of immortality seems a lot nearer term than the rest.
Well, I think we'll have some longevity of note first (say, 200 year
life-spans), but yeah, this would seem to be the way to go. And why
limit the computer to merely human capabilities?