Ladies and Gentlemen, I don't believe things will get as repressive as
you are imagining.

First, let me point a few things out.

In order for us to understand what might happen in the future, we must
look to the past to see what happened with similar movements.

First of all, the big colonies in the New World were established by the
so called 'represive religious groups'. Catholics in New France.
Puritans in New England and like minded others throughout the lesser
colonies that followed. People who wanted to fool around stayed in
europe just as those like minded today are likely to stay on earth.

They're committed to reproducing themselves. New Life and New
opportunities are bound to inspire a Baby Boom regardless of who it is.

The birthrate is often a guage of public confidence and individual
committment though sustained birthrates reflect a spiritual core.

Those few not sharing this drive who do move up among the colonies
either fleeing from creditors or angry ex partners are not going to
effect those groups. They might even convert to become members not out
of coersion but simply out of loneliness. Or they may just Grow Up.
The need to belong is really quite strong.

As economic opportunties improve and present themselves and as the new
society developes its ideology, coersion won't be necessary. People are
going to want to have more children especially as living space becomes
more and more available.

> First of all, the big colonies in the New World were established
>by the
> so called 'represive religious groups'. Catholics in New France.
> Puritans in New England and like minded others throughout the
>lesser
> colonies that followed.

Hi,

I agree with most of your previous post, but Jesus! You forgot us!
Latin America.

You are talking about the "New World" and you has just forgotten the
large number of colonies of the rest of the hemisphere, south of the
border. In Cuba, Mexico, Peru, and in many places around them there
were large cities, universities and industries even before the first
Catholic reach New France and a lot earlier than the first Puritan
put his foot in New England.

Well, motivations were similar. Spaniars and Portugueses came to the
New World to expand the Catholic world. And they succeed.

Religion could be a powerful motivator.

Regards,

Omar Vega

yes, they will go out with their belief in their manifest destiny,
and in 70 years it will go from 1 million ppl in space to 1 billion,
then 70 years later it will be 1 trillion, then 70 years after that
(little more than 200 years after they reach there, without any help
from earth) they will be at 1 quadrillion ppl in stations. at some
point they will find there is a lack of o2 and nitrogen and hidrogen
and carbon, in the solar system. by the time the realise this, the
only solution they will find is war.

religion might have been good on earth, but the belief that its wrong
to use contracptives (which many religions state boldly), would lead
to massive deaths. space is not a place for unbridled freedom.

--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "Omar E. Vega"
>
> > First of all, the big colonies in the New World were established
> >by the
> > so called 'represive religious groups'. Catholics in New France.
> > Puritans in New England and like minded others throughout the
> >lesser
> > colonies that followed.
>
> Hi,
>
> I agree with most of your previous post, but Jesus! You forgot us!
> Latin America.
>
> You are talking about the "New World" and you has just forgotten
the
> large number of colonies of the rest of the hemisphere, south of
the
> border. In Cuba, Mexico, Peru, and in many places around them there
> were large cities, universities and industries even before the
first
> Catholic reach New France and a lot earlier than the first Puritan
> put his foot in New England.
>
> Well, motivations were similar. Spaniars and Portugueses came to
the

From: "Omar E. Vega"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 1:45 PM
Subject: [spacesettlers] Re: TEN BILLION SPACE COLONISTS

First of all, the big colonies in the New World were established by the so
called 'represive religious groups'. Catholics in New France. Puritans in
New England and like minded others throughout the lesser colonies that
followed.

Hi,

I agree with most of your previous post, but Jesus! You forgot us! Latin
America.

You are talking about the "New World" and you has just forgotten the large
number of colonies of the rest of the hemisphere, south of the border. In
Cuba, Mexico, Peru, and in many places around them there were large cities,
universities and industries even before the first Catholic reach New France
and a lot earlier than the first Puritan
put his foot in New England.

Well, motivations were similar. Spaniards and Portuguese came to the New
World to expand the Catholic world. And they succeed. Religion could be a
powerful motivator.

Regards,

Omar Vega

(OT: the Nahultal or Aztec would have a child sacrifice at the spring time,
for a good crop of food and healthy children that year. Rome altered it into
the Eucharistic Celebration; which kept the idea but shifted it into the
worship of the Christ. Our Lady of Guadalupe Hidalgo commemorates that
fusion -- a Nahultal received a vision of Her, verified by the local Roman
authorities; he, when he went, was declared a Saint. IIRC.)

Hi Leonard,

>
> (OT: the Nahultal or Aztec would have a child sacrifice at the
>spring time,
> for a good crop of food and healthy children that year. Rome
altered >it into
> the Eucharistic Celebration; which kept the idea but shifted it
into >the
> worship of the Christ. Our Lady of Guadalupe Hidalgo commemorates
>that
> fusion -- a Nahultal received a vision of Her, verified by the
local >Roman
> authorities; he, when he went, was declared a Saint. IIRC.)
>

Very well said!

Rome superposed Christian believes to local religions. That's common
in every country of Latin America. In Chile we have the "Virgin of
La Tirana", in Bolivia exists the "Virgin of the Socavon" (Virgin of
the mine) and every single country has some syncretic idea, blessed
by the Church but that preserves old myths. Besides in Peru and
Bolivia the Natives sacrifices llamas in honor of Mother Land theses
days, not people.

This is not related with the issue but is very revealing of human
nature and religious attitudes.

Regards,

Omar Vega

On 5/27/06, Omar E. Vega wrote:
(...)
> Rome superposed Christian believes to local religions. That's common
> in every country of Latin America. In Chile we have the "Virgin of
> La Tirana", in Bolivia exists the "Virgin of the Socavon" (Virgin of
> the mine) and every single country has some syncretic idea, blessed
> by the Church but that preserves old myths. Besides in Peru and
> Bolivia the Natives sacrifices llamas in honor of Mother Land theses
> days, not people.
(...)

In Brazil syncretism is a bit more complex because *two* alien,
non-native religions - Catholicism, brought from Europe by the
colonizers, and Candombl, brought from Africa by slaves - are
syncretized. So, the Orixs (the gods from candombl) are intertwined
with Catholic saints (which in fact are the equivalent of minor gods
in this vertent of Chistianity). We have for instance Iemanj, the
goddes of the sea and the mother of all mortals, identified with the
Virgin Mary, and Nan, the old goddess of the earth and mud,
identified with Saint Anna (Mary's mother). This attitude is kind of
easy for some spin-offs of Candombl like Umbanda, which believes in
reincarnation - and so it is easy to think of the Virgin Mary and
Iemanj as just two different avatars, or incarnations, of the same
goddess. The attitude of the local Catholic church is of veiled
tolerance, but not approval.

Oddly, from the religion of native Brazilians almost nothing is left
but for some legends like the Iara (a kind of fresh water siren), the
Curupira (a spooky guardian spirit of the forests, red haired, with
inverted feet and using a boar as mount) and transmorphs like
she-leopards.

--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "Omar E. Vega"
>
> Hi Leonard,
>
> Very well said!
>
> Rome superposed Christian believes to local religions. That's
common
> in every country of Latin America. In Chile we have the "Virgin of
> La Tirana", in Bolivia exists the "Virgin of the Socavon" (Virgin
of
> the mine) and every single country has some syncretic idea, blessed
> by the Church but that preserves old myths. Besides in Peru and
> Bolivia the Natives sacrifices llamas in honor of Mother Land
theses
> days, not people.
>
> This is not related with the issue but is very revealing of human
> nature and religious attitudes.
>
> Regards,
>
> Omar Vega
>
its not just in south america.

Christmas was originally yule, a widely celebrated pagan
celebrations. Easter was Beltane another pagan celebration. the
events that the church claim occurred on these dates could not
possibly happen then. by claiming these dates had christian
significance, they were able to bring in pagans that wanted to
continue to celebrate these times. those that did not want to become
christian were made to look like they were celebrating christ anyway.
after a few generations, no one knew the difference anymore.