I believe we're talking about just the stuff on the shelves.

I must admit what I have been seeing the bookstore shelves is quite
mediocre.

A lot of fantasy fiction of Dungeons and Dragons or some form of Star
Trek devoid of any Scientific base. Most of it poorly written and
hardly one any pleasure to read.

I found out the hardway in trying to get the big boys to publish my
novel in which an Israili goes back in time to prevent the Holocaust by
hooking up with the Generals and making a deal for Jewish lives by
helping off Hitler in exchange for helping them win WWII.

I figured Write a good story with a solid background and my success was
assured.

Everyone who has read my novel is really quite impressed with it.

So I expected success in finding a publisher.

I was rejected by the very publishers of mediocrity.

Problem is the people employed by the Big Boys to read incoming
manuscripts are these women from Wesley and Ba Ma and various other
liberal collages whose views on literature leave much to be desired.
Just like Hollywood, they've lost touch with the people and they have
forgotten what a good story and what good science fiction is. They've
had too much star trek and too many indoctrinations for Political
Correctness. If they walked into any place in America they would
scream at everyone and rant that every American is a Bigot. All men are
rapists, etc, etc.

Since they don't see eye to eye with the Average American, anything the
ordinary person would enjoy, they reject.

That is the problem with Science Fiction available today.

Did you try Baen ?
http://www.baen.com/

terrierkeeper wrote:

Greetings,

Not that I don't agree with you but there must be a market for the stuff on
the shelves, if not then the drop in profit would make a change certain. It
would be simple to say that the public have no choice and buy what is on
offer, simple but wrong. If a new book is not enjoyable then people buy old
ones, I still find books that were first published when I was a teenager
(current age 46) and are being republished today that I never saw back then
or saw but didn't read, I was an avid reader back then, still am today, just
less time to do so.

My own personal opinion, for what it's worth, is that public taste has
changed, thirty years ago you had SF books and you had fantasy books and the
two were in different parts of the store, today they are side by side and
under the same heading. People are giving up hard science in exchange for
the spiritual and herein is the danger, fewer people interested in hard
science leads to less hard science, in terms of popular culture, Star Trek
has given way to Charmed. Not that I am putting down Charmed, my daughter
loves it and as entertainment it has it's place, problem is people are
taking it as more than entertainment, check out the number of courses
teaching Wicca as fact. These things are cyclic, in the late 1800's
spiritualism was a huge fad, in fact, even scientists types were were into
it, Arthur Conan Doyle was a firm believer in fairies and the scientific
method, not sure how he managed to reconcile the two, hopefully this current
trend will pass.

Lots of people are put off by the maths involved in science, I use to tell
my daughter, an art student , that if you couldn't express it in
numbers then it was an opinion. This isn't correct of course but it is in a
manner of speaking, with "hard" science you can write the equation and get
your answer, "soft" science however is a matter of interpretations and
opinions. Before the social scientists and botanists get ticked off, let me
say that I don't mean to disparage your discipline, it is as much a science
as physics, just different and just as important as just as much maths in
some, less in others. Still the trend is away from hard science subjects.

Hope you have more luck with your book, it sounds interesting but I'm not
sure that you can blame liberal views for your lack of interest in your
book, I am pretty liberal in my views, sort of odd in a way as I work in law
enforcement, a profession noted for its conservative views but I still think
the premise for your book sounds interesting and I would be interested in
it, perhaps things are different in America (I'm in Australia) and the
references to the collages are lost on me.

Darren

On 10/6/06 10:32 PM, "terrierkeeper" wrote:

I tried all of the Science Fiction publishers. First I sent inquiries
and sample chapters to all the publishers who accepted direct
solicitations. None interested. Then I saught an agent. Sent sample
chapters or full copies depending on the requirement. No Takers.

I finally found a publisher outside the big boys, PublishAmerica.

Ironicly the bookstores who briefly stocked my novel put it among the
General Fiction books, I still can't figure why. Odd thing is I
find the better Alternate History novels are found in The Gneral
Fiction section.

--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, b wrote:
>
> Did you try Baen ?
> http://www.baen.com/
>
> terrierkeeper wrote:
>
> > I believe we're talking about just the stuff on the shelves.
> >
> > I must admit what I have been seeing the bookstore shelves is
quite
> > mediocre.
> >
> > A lot of fantasy fiction of Dungeons and Dragons or some form of
Star
> > Trek devoid of any Scientific base. Most of it poorly written and
> > hardly one any pleasure to read.
> >
> > I found out the hardway in trying to get the big boys to publish
my
> > novel in which an Israili goes back in time to prevent the
Holocaust by
> > hooking up with the Generals and making a deal for Jewish lives by
> > helping off Hitler in exchange for helping them win WWII.
> >
> > I figured Write a good story with a solid background and my
success was
> > assured.
> >
> > Everyone who has read my novel is really quite impressed with it.
> >
> > So I expected success in finding a publisher.
> >
> > I was rejected by the very publishers of mediocrity.
> >
> > Problem is the people employed by the Big Boys to read incoming
> > manuscripts are these women from Wesley and Ba Ma and various
other
> > liberal collages whose views on literature leave much to be
desired.
> > Just like Hollywood, they've lost touch with the people and they
have
> > forgotten what a good story and what good science fiction is.
They've
> > had too much star trek and too many indoctrinations for Political
> > Correctness. If they walked into any place in America they would
> > scream at everyone and rant that every American is a Bigot. All
men are
> > rapists, etc, etc.
> >
> > Since they don't see eye to eye with the Average American,
anything the

Currently SEALION'S BYTE by M. Norman Ryan is carried by Amazon.com,
Barnes and Noble.com, Buy.com and a number of other .COMS. The big
boys wouldn't touch it so I had to go outside them.

Odd thing is that other than the complaint that it is over priced and
over punctuated, everyone who has read it tells me that they think it
is pretty good. Believable characters. Well Written. Well researched.
(One of the reasons I bring up some of the nazi programs such as
their campain against smoking as well as their youth fitness program
is that I learned about them during my research. Had to understand
the beast in order to figure out how best to kill it).

Still trying to develope a good Space Island novel without success
though.

--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, Darren wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Not that I don't agree with you but there must be a market for the
stuff on
> the shelves, if not then the drop in profit would make a change
certain. It
> would be simple to say that the public have no choice and buy what
is on
> offer, simple but wrong. If a new book is not enjoyable then
people buy old
> ones, I still find books that were first published when I was a
teenager
> (current age 46) and are being republished today that I never saw
back then
> or saw but didn't read, I was an avid reader back then, still am
today, just
> less time to do so.
>
> My own personal opinion, for what it's worth, is that public taste
has
> changed, thirty years ago you had SF books and you had fantasy
books and the
> two were in different parts of the store, today they are side by
side and
> under the same heading. People are giving up hard science in
exchange for
> the spiritual and herein is the danger, fewer people interested in
hard
> science leads to less hard science, in terms of popular culture,
Star Trek
> has given way to Charmed. Not that I am putting down Charmed, my
daughter
> loves it and as entertainment it has it's place, problem is people
are
> taking it as more than entertainment, check out the number of
courses
> teaching Wicca as fact. These things are cyclic, in the late 1800's
> spiritualism was a huge fad, in fact, even scientists types were
were into
> it, Arthur Conan Doyle was a firm believer in fairies and the
scientific
> method, not sure how he managed to reconcile the two, hopefully
this current
> trend will pass.
>
> Lots of people are put off by the maths involved in science, I use
to tell
> my daughter, an art student , that if you couldn't express it
in
> numbers then it was an opinion. This isn't correct of course but it
is in a
> manner of speaking, with "hard" science you can write the equation
and get
> your answer, "soft" science however is a matter of interpretations
and
> opinions. Before the social scientists and botanists get ticked
off, let me
> say that I don't mean to disparage your discipline, it is as much a
science
> as physics, just different and just as important as just as much
maths in
> some, less in others. Still the trend is away from hard science
subjects.
>
> Hope you have more luck with your book, it sounds interesting but
I'm not
> sure that you can blame liberal views for your lack of interest in
your
> book, I am pretty liberal in my views, sort of odd in a way as I
work in law
> enforcement, a profession noted for its conservative views but I
still think
> the premise for your book sounds interesting and I would be
interested in
> it, perhaps things are different in America (I'm in Australia) and
the
> references to the collages are lost on me.
>
> Darren
>
> On 10/6/06 10:32 PM, "terrierkeeper" wrote:
>
> > I believe we're talking about just the stuff on the shelves.
> >
> > I must admit what I have been seeing the bookstore shelves is
quite
> > mediocre.
> >
> > A lot of fantasy fiction of Dungeons and Dragons or some form of
Star
> > Trek devoid of any Scientific base. Most of it poorly written and
> > hardly one any pleasure to read.
> >
> > I found out the hardway in trying to get the big boys to publish
my
> > novel in which an Israili goes back in time to prevent the
Holocaust by
> > hooking up with the Generals and making a deal for Jewish lives by
> > helping off Hitler in exchange for helping them win WWII.
> >
> > I figured Write a good story with a solid background and my
success was
> > assured.
> >
> > Everyone who has read my novel is really quite impressed with it.
> >
> > So I expected success in finding a publisher.
> >
> > I was rejected by the very publishers of mediocrity.
> >
> > Problem is the people employed by the Big Boys to read incoming
> > manuscripts are these women from Wesley and Ba Ma and various
other
> > liberal collages whose views on literature leave much to be
desired.
> > Just like Hollywood, they've lost touch with the people and they
have
> > forgotten what a good story and what good science fiction is.
They've
> > had too much star trek and too many indoctrinations for Political
> > Correctness. If they walked into any place in America they would
> > scream at everyone and rant that every American is a Bigot. All
men are
> > rapists, etc, etc.
> >
> > Since they don't see eye to eye with the Average American,
anything the

> From: terrierkeeper
> Problem is the people employed by the Big Boys to read incoming
> manuscripts are these women from Wesley and Ba Ma and various other
> liberal collages whose views on literature leave much to be desired.
> Just like Hollywood, they've lost touch with the people and they have
> forgotten what a good story and what good science fiction is.

As have the others I would also recomend www.Baen.com. Though you might not
recognise much of what they publish as science fiction, it tends to be right
wing garbage rather than left wing garbage. Hence in the Honor Harrington
series the author does a reasonable job of addressing battle under continous
acceleration - but much else within the story is completely retarded, in
every sense of the word. And they still have FTL.

John

They also have SPS, asteroid mining facilities and tons of orbital
infrastructure in the Honor series.

Brett

ANTIcarrot wrote:

Greetings,

Sealion's Byte, this is your book?
If so I'll have to look into getting a copy, to check out if you are right
:)

Darren

On 11/6/06 3:43 AM, "terrierkeeper" wrote:

John Scalzi, a best-selling author of science fiction, has signed a $3.4
million, 10-year deal with the publisher Tor Books
that will cover his next 13 books.

Mr. Scalzis works include a series known as the Old Mans War and the
more recent Redshirts
,
a Hugo-award-winning sendup of the luckless lives of nonfeatured characters
on shows like the original Star Trek. Three of his works are being
developed for television, including Redshirts and Lock In
, a
science-inflected medical thriller that evokes Michael Crichton. Mr.
Scalzis hyper-caffeinated Internet presence through his blog, Whatever
, has made him an online celebrity as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/25/business/media/science-fiction-writer-signs-a-3-4-million-deal.html?_r=0

Tor Books
that will cover his next 13 books.
Mr. Scalzis works include a series known as the Old Mans War and the more recent
Redshirts
, a Hugo-award-winning sendup of the luckless lives of nonfeatured characters on shows like the original Star Trek. Three of his works are being developed for television, including Redshirts and
Lock In
, a science-inflected medical thriller that evokes Michael Crichton. Mr. Scalzis hyper-caffeinated Internet presence through his blog,
Whatever
, has made him an online celebrity as well.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/25/business/media/science-fiction-writer-signs-a-3-4-million-deal.html?_r=0