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Re: television & movies
# 9920 byxenophile2002@... on May 3, 2007, 8:23 p.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0172058/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Island_One
Not quite what WE mean by "Island One," but hey, it's out there.

http://www.gundamofficial.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundam
Couldn't leave out Gundam. Several series, and all seem to be more
about giant robots fighting each other than about living in habitats.
But hey, it's out there.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116811/
The only time our stuff has ever hit the big screen that I know of.
And really, this and Gundam seems to be it.

Anything else?

# 9921 byspider_boris@... on May 4, 2007, 4:22 a.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

Rendezvous with Rama is supposed to be coming out in
2009, and starring Morgan Freeman:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0134933/

Ed
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# 9922 bybmaillists@... on May 4, 2007, 4:57 a.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

Babylon 5 is a modified O'Neill Cylinder.

Most of the shots were of corridors and rooms for budget reasons.
B.

On Fri May 4 4:22 , 'Xenophile' sent:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0172058/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Island_One
Not quite what WE mean by "Island One," but hey, it's out there.

http://www.gundamofficial.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundam
Couldn't leave out Gundam. Several series, and all seem to be more
about giant robots fighting each other than about living in habitats.
But hey, it's out there.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116811/
The only time our stuff has ever hit the big screen that I know of.
And really, this and Gundam seems to be it.

Anything else?

# 9923 bydavidbe@... on May 4, 2007, 5:06 a.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

At 09:57 PM 5/3/2007, ausdeye wrote:

>Babylon 5 is a modified O'Neill Cylinder.

Correction: a modified Bernal Sphere.

Best wishes,

David

# 9924 bybmaillists@... on May 4, 2007, 6:55 a.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

Wiki has a list of O'Neill Cylinders in fiction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Neill_cylinder

B5 was a cylinder, however part of it at one end was more spherical. The garden scenes particularly when Sheridan has to jump from the transport in the middle of the cylinder clearly show it as a cylinder.

B

On Fri May 4 13:06 , David Brandt-Erichsen sent:

At 09:57 PM 5/3/2007, ausdeye wrote:

>Babylon 5 is a modified O'Neill Cylinder.

Correction: a modified Bernal Sphere.

Best wishes,

David

# 9925 byjovianjeff@... on May 4, 2007, 2:17 p.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

I know it may sound silly, but it was Gundam that was my introduction
to the space settlement cylinder concept. I saw the opening
sequences, the panoramic views of many cylinders, listened to the
narrator describing how most of mankind now lived in space. That is
what set my imagination on fire, and a trip to the library (in the
pre-internet days), where I found the book, the High Frontier and
many years later, here we are. Still hoping.

Robots aside, most of the series is much like O'Neill's view of a
future in space, and some of the films have great shots of both
exteriors of cylinders as well as life inside one. There was even a
live action one, with the cylinders CGI (including one sequence where
the robots are fighting on one of the large solar panels).

With the question of anything else, the following isn't a tv show or
movie, but a role playing game called Jovian Chronicles. Taken from
the article at the link below:

"The game world shows one possible future, a time in which Mankind
has expanded and settled the solar system, going as far as
terraforming Venus and Mars. The colonists living around Jupiter are
at odds with the government of Earth, driving much of the series'
intrigue. The game features a blend of action/adventure and hard-
science space colonization facts. The books are based on plausible
technical details to maintain a realistic hard science fiction
setting."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovian_Chronicles

Jeff ^_^

--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophile"

> http://www.gundamofficial.com/
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundam
> Couldn't leave out Gundam. Several series, and all seem to be more
> about giant robots fighting each other than about living in
habitats.

# 9926 byxenophile2002@... on May 4, 2007, 5:47 p.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

Well whadayahno, the Rama movie isn't dead yet. Thanks for cluing me in.

I can't BELIEVE I forgot about _Babylon 5_! I feel like an idjit.
Yeah, that's probably the biggest American example yet.

Man, I want more. Cop movies. Romantic comedies. Teen angst shows.
Family sitcoms. Kiddy superhero shows. Music videos.

Actually, a good solid hard SF anthology series, a kind of hard SF
_Twilight Zone_, would be wonderful. It wouldn't have to be habitats
every week, but they could show up from time to time. A certain Mr.
Combs has written what could be several episodes. Who among us
wouldn't like to see _Designing Paradise_ or _If Not For the Fall_ in
our living rooms?

# 9927 byme@... on May 4, 2007, 6:26 p.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

While I have no examples (to add to B5 or Gundam) regarding O'Neill
cylinders, I can think of a few with Stanford toruses:

2001: A Space Odyssey. It popularized the Torus.

L5: First City in Space. This Imax movie (1996?) is for young
audiences, but depicts an O'Neill cylinder in 3D.

PLANETES, a wonderful anime about blue collar workers cleaning up debris
in orbit. It mentions LaGrange Points as landmarks on occasion, and is
a surprisingly realistic view of life in space, without any silly
robots. Stations orbiting Earth or Moon are depicted as double Toruses
counter-spin to one another.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetes

- Twisty

Xenophile wrote:

# 9928 bycsmyth@... on May 5, 2007, 3:23 a.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, Joel 'Twisty' Nye wrote:
>
> While I have no examples (to add to B5 or Gundam) regarding O'Neill
> cylinders, I can think of a few with Stanford toruses:
>
> 2001: A Space Odyssey. It popularized the Torus...

Hi Joel,

One of my favorite space movies is an oldie but a goodie. A movie
called "Outland" was made years ago starrig Sean Connery and Peter
Boyle.
It's a space age remake of the classic western "High Noon". The
thing I like about the movie, apart from the characters and the plot,
is the dipiction of living conditions in a space mining operation.
Instead if being all "gee whiz" high tech it showed the living and
working conditions of the "average man" in a remote work location. I
believe it's more realistic than a lot of the other futurist concepts
I've seen.

Chris

# 9929 byme@... on May 5, 2007, 4:27 a.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

OT: Say, I'm from the greater Cincinnati area too. Any science or scifi
groups we might have met through?

ObSpace: Outland impressed me too. Space as a location rather than a
subject. The "suit up for work: gotta take your environment with you"
idea was very realistic for other worlds like Io. One thing I'd have
changed is that Titanium is not the most likely export of Io... it's the
most geologically active body in our solar system (other than the sun?)
so Energy is abundant: Electrical, Geothermal, Tidal... far more
lucrative than pushing Titanium out of a gravity well. But a great
movie for what we knew back then.

Some shows like Space 1999 made their mark by lavishing more artistry
than science. But a better Brit Sci-Fi series was "Star Cops" which did
a commendable job trying to depict microgravity, vehicles, travel,
economic contracts, politics, crime, etc, in 21st Century space
habitation. I think it only lasted nine episodes.

- Twisty

Chris Smyth wrote:

# 9930 byxenophile2002@... on May 5, 2007, 1:11 p.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

--- In spacesettlers, Joel 'Twisty' Nye wrote:

> But a better Brit Sci-Fi series was "Star Cops" which did a
> commendable job trying to depict microgravity, vehicles, travel,
> economic contracts, politics, crime, etc, in 21st Century space
> habitation. I think it only lasted nine episodes.
>
> - Twisty

Like a ripple in the water,
Sends a message to the shooooore,

I saw all of one and a half eps on PBS, and would have liked to see
more. There are clips on YouTube, and I really should check for DVD.

_Planetes_ has been mentioned, and an otaku such as myself should
REALLY check that out. I'll check the video rooms at A-KON next
month; they might be showing some of it.

# 9931 bycsmyth@... on May 5, 2007, 11:51 p.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, Joel 'Twisty' Nye
>
> OT: Say, I'm from the greater Cincinnati area too. Any science or
scifi groups we might have met through?
>
> ObSpace: Outland impressed me too. Space as a location rather
than a subject. The "suit up for work: gotta take your environment
with you" idea was very realistic for other worlds like Io. One
thing I'd have changed is that Titanium is not the most likely export
of Io...

Hi Twisty,

Sorry, I don't participate in any science groups except this
forum. I am, by occupation, a licensed water treatment and wastewater
treatment plant operator. I love my work and, if I were born in 2148
instead of 1948 my highest aspiration would be to acquire a position
as an "environmental technician" on a space colony.
For the time being I'm satisfied to consider myself an
environmental technician on spaceship Earth. The idea that Earth is a
(rather large) spaceship is a concept that a lot of people seem to
overlook or take for granted. Utimately I think the same issues that
face us as a world of divergent cultures and attitudes will also face
space colonists (only in a more compressed environment).

Chris