
# 11095 bymikecombs@... on Dec. 24, 2008, 12:10 a.m.
Member since 2021-10-03
If anyone's interested, I've added a new article onto my Space Settlement webpage at:
It's on the subject of moving asteroids with mass-driver engines.
The name of the article is "Averting Armageddon, with ROI":
http://writings.mike-combs.com/averting_armageddon.htm
Have a look and let me know what you think.
Regards,
Mike Combs

# 11096 bydsw_s@... on Jan. 7, 2009, 2:26 a.m.
Member since 2021-10-03
>From the linked article:
> many asteroids may be less like a single rock and more like a loose
> conglomeration of bodies embedded in dust. Subjected to a nuclear
> explosion, such a "flying gravel pile" might separate. So we would
> find we had only succeeded in converting one single disaster into
> many separate ones. Sometimes Hollywood dramas speak of pulverizing
> an asteroid such that all of its pieces would "burn harmlessly in
> the atmosphere". But an entire sky alit with the blazes of entering
> debris would touch off surface fires of incomprehensible scale.
atmosphere before it gets to be a problem, even compared to the amount
that causes trouble when it enters the atmosphere in one lump. Have
you found or done anything quantitative to say how much a threat could
be reduced by having part of it burn in the atmosphere, or how much of
the debris might miss the earth entirely if an asteroid were
pulverized a plausible length of time before impact? Is the Nature
article available online?
> one can immediately discard the notion of manufacturing the parts
> for these space settlements here on Earth and then launching them
> into orbit on a rocket. With habitat masses ranging from 4 to 10
> million tons, this was clearly unfeasible for any plausible rocket
> system, regardless how improved over those currently in use.
> This meant such space settlements (and solar power stations, if
> desired on a scale large enough to make a global difference) had to
> be constructed from materials already in space.
I certainly favor using materials already in space. But as phrased,
it doesn't follow: it neglects the possibility that non-rocket launch
systems (mass drivers, skyhooks, or whatever else) might make it
feasible to launch materials for the first settlements from the
surface of the earth.
--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "Combs, Mike" wrote:
>
> If anyone's interested, I've added a new article onto my Space
Settlement webpage at:

# 11097 bymikecombs@... on Jan. 7, 2009, 3:21 p.m.
Member since 2021-10-03
From: Dan Wylie-Sears
> atmosphere before it gets to be a problem, even compared to the amount
> that causes trouble when it enters the atmosphere in one lump. Have
> you found or done anything quantitative to say how much a threat could
> be reduced by having part of it burn in the atmosphere,
I haven't, but the conclusion I report is the one drawn by the experts who have.
> or how much of
> the debris might miss the earth entirely if an asteroid were
> pulverized a plausible length of time before impact?
Of course that would entirely depend on how we define "plausible length of time". Sure, if one could pulverize an asteroid a number of years before impact, such that many of its pieces wound up missing the Earth entirely, then that's obviously an improvement on the situation. But that's different from the Hollywood presentation which I was urging readers to not take seriously.
> Is the Nature
> article available online?
Not as far as I know.
> I certainly favor using materials already in space. But as phrased,
> it doesn't follow: it neglects the possibility that non-rocket launch
> systems (mass drivers, skyhooks, or whatever else) might make it
> feasible to launch materials for the first settlements from the
> surface of the earth.
The studies I referred to considered it against the rules to consider any system outside of what was currently technologically possible. A skyhook would rely on a material currently not producible in industrial quantities. I suppose an Earth-based mass driver wouldn't necessarily have to be based on currently unavailable building materials, but, in having to launch out of a much steeper gravity well, and through a thick atmosphere, would have to be much larger, longer, and more powerful than what O'Neill proposed. (And hence, many multiples more expensive.) Even the celestial mechanics would be more complicated and limiting than for the lunar example cited.
If staying within the boundaries of current technologies, or those easily extrapolated from current ones, ET materials are more or less the only economically feasible option for any space construction massing into the gigatons.
Regards,
Mike Combs