Given a colonization mission that is essentially totally divorced from the homeworld, e.g. somehow a small but viable population made it to Saturn, or the Oort Cloud, or Lalande 21185 and grew in subsequent decades and generations how would or could they transition from the crew of astronauts/cosmonauts/tychonauts with One Ship-One Captain-One Law and The Mission to a society ?
When and how do the explorers become settlers, and what will the settlers pass on to their posterity ? I'm recalling Clarke's Songs of Distant Earth, Poul's New America plus works by Niven, Varley and others.
In a message dated 2/3/2012 1:44:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
killgore4darkskies@... writes:
homeworld, e.g. somehow a small but viable population made it to Saturn,
or the Oort Cloud, or Lalande 21185 and grew in subsequent decades and
generations how would or could they transition from the crew of
astronauts/cosmonauts/tychonauts with One Ship-One Captain-One Law and The Mission to a
society ?
When and how do the explorers become settlers, and what will the settlers
pass on to their posterity ? I'm recalling Clarke's Songs of Distant Earth,
Poul's New America plus works by Niven, Varley and others.
There is no one set or rules or conditions except intent. Intent also can
be an afterthought. You get to some place and go no further.
What you leave behind also will be guided by intent and accident. For
every group there will be different answers.
John Wayne Smith
I go along with the argument that explorers become settlers as soon as they start having children.
Mike Combs
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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 12:45 AM
To: spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [spacesettlers] Socio-economic question
Given a colonization mission that is essentially totally divorced from the homeworld, e.g. somehow a small but viable population made it to Saturn, or the Oort Cloud, or Lalande 21185 and grew in subsequent decades and generations how would or could they transition from the crew of astronauts/cosmonauts/tychonauts with One Ship-One Captain-One Law and The Mission to a society ?
When and how do the explorers become settlers, and what will the settlers pass on to their posterity ? I'm recalling Clarke's Songs of Distant Earth, Poul's New America plus works by Niven, Varley and others.
I can agree with that. It certainly shows intent.
In a message dated 2/3/2012 9:35:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mikecombs@... writes:
I go along with the argument that explorers become settlers as soon as
they start having children.
Regards,
Mike Combs
From: spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of SteveK
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 12:45 AM
To: spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [spacesettlers] Socio-economic question
Given a colonization mission that is essentially totally divorced from the
homeworld, e.g. somehow a small but viable population made it to Saturn,
or the Oort Cloud, or Lalande 21185 and grew in subsequent decades and
generations how would or could they transition from the crew of
astronauts/cosmonauts/tychonauts with One Ship-One Captain-One Law and The Mission to a
society ?
When and how do the explorers become settlers, and what will the settlers
pass on to their posterity ? I'm recalling Clarke's Songs of Distant Earth,
Poul's New America plus works by Niven, Varley and others.
What I'm hoping for your imput on is thoughts on how a group of space developers could build an economy ... in the Okie stories of James Blish the protagonists are skilled laborers and industry-for-hire with a germanium backed currency, in Heinlein's Farmer In The Sky we see up close very small-scale terraforming, and in Poul Anderson's New America series the stories revolve around the distribution of scarce goods and labor issues, and a gold standard.
If we have a space community of 20-30 people do you see there being any economic exchanges ? When do people get to move beyond Orders From Mission Control ? Is there any foreseeable place for an independent space settler community or will the people above Earth's atmosphere also operate as minions ?
I think it would be of extremely more practical to examine how successful or the failures of colonies here on Earth.
Now in a space colony, such supply runs would be comparable to ship travel of the 1300's to 1800's. Planning for what will be needed long term will have to go into extreme detail and redundancy. Consider if you have only one veterinarian, and they are incapacitated or killed?
If anything I believe the type of person most needed are what I call J.O.A.T.s. Short for: Jack (or Jill) Of All Trades. People that are, and willing, to do what ever is needed. Or learn those skills.
--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "SteveK" wrote:
On Feb 8, 2012, at 12:44 PM, mnmark_l wrote:
>
> Now in a space colony, such supply runs would be comparable to ship
> travel of the 1300's to 1800's.
>
But much more frequent an easy. If you put the first few settlements
in some sort of Earth orbit they are only a few days away.
> extreme detail and redundancy. Consider if you have only on
>
> veterinarian, and they are incapacitated or killed?
>
First, cross train the population. Second, you have easy access to
the internet and, for early close settlements, even phone calls to
Earth. Telemedicine should be perfectly adequate until you can
recruit a new vet.