# 12710 byelaurens.cox@... on Feb. 16, 2013, 3:31 a.m.
Member since 2021-10-03
I downloaded and watched this yesterday.
I see it as basically a PR stunt.
If I had to imagine why this was made, I would guess that it was put out as a "feeler" to see how people would react to a new angle on how to justify what has been going on on this planet ever since there have been people on it who were afraid that something would happen to take it away from them.
It warned that several things would happen as a result of this hypothetical finding that earth is doomed:
1) A program of international cooperative technology development would begin.
2) "Rich people" (or rival power groups) would launch a competing privately-funded program.
3) Civil wars would escalate, and those in power would be tempted to allow this to happen.
4) Political unrest along the lines of a "99% versus 1%" theme would escalate.
5) Governments would handle this unrest by reducing personal liberties.
6) There would be an effort to get every single person on the planet into a genetic database.
7) There would be a "conspiracy/truther" backlash, accusing the scientists or others of falsifying the danger in order to advance secret agendas.
8) There would be attempts to sabotage the various "survival" projects.
9) A certain percentage of the population (that's my group) would turn to religious or spiritual study for better answers.
Out of this list of social phenomena, which are not already occurring?
There are already several scenarios being actively pushed by various groups that are almost as doomsday as the neutron star scenario offered in this film. We have the climate change scenario. We have the overpopulation scenario. We still even have the nuclear war scenario (by far the most probable in my view).
And so, like many better science fiction stories, this film is really talking about what is actually happening on the planet today, not what might happen at some time in the future. We already have plenty of reasons to "evacuate" earth, and there are already probably several groups secretly (or openly in the case of spiritual groups) working to prepare for this eventuality.
Thus, my reading of this film is that it is basically just an attempt by whoever put it together to reveal the thinking behind the various doomsday-oriented groups and to justify what is happening on the planet on the grounds that preparing for a doomsday scenario is more important than taking good care of the planet and its people right now.
In this context, whether a huge cylinder propelled by mini-nukes would really work, or whether they could actually make it to another habitable planet (I don't think they would) is beside the point.
However, since I am taking the trouble to lay out my full reaction to the film, I will also respond to some of its scientific assertions, or might I say, shortcomings.
1) Destroying planet earth would mean an end to the human race.
I can see why most would agree with this, and thus buy into the necessity of saving human life in the event of a global catastrophe. Data to the contrary is not well known nor well communicated, but it exists. In short, it seems very likely that humans already live on other planets. Genetic humans. Maybe they are not quite earthlings spiritually. But that is another question. Spiritual beings will survive the destruction of earth to live and die in other bodies on other planets for a long long time to come. There is a pretty good body of evidence to support that assertion.
Destroying the planet would mean an end to the earth ecosystem, which we can assume is unique. That would be a terrible shame. Yet humans are already doing that on earth today.
2) Genetic tests are our best method of assessing survivability in outer space for long periods.
I would disagree. Look at what the astronauts go through. Not just health training and a rigorous fitness program, but psychological screening, too. Psychology has a huge role to play in the survivability of an individual, and you will never convince me that you can predict this with genetic tests, or any other kind of biological test. Psychology is not, at its foundation, biological. It is, as its name implies, spiritual.
Since science currently rejects the idea of the supremacy of the spirit, it will fail (and has failed) to solve any problems where the spirit plays a major role. All it has to do to change that is to start studying the spirit. However, this option is not suggested in the film.
3) On a more esoteric level (if that's possible) there is the question of propulsion systems.
There is a lot of good evidence pointing to the assertion that several secret power groups on this planet - if not all of them - already possess and are using propulsion systems that work much better than those described in the film. See the Thrive film or similar efforts for a discussion of this topic.
If this is true, then what we come up with as a basic situation is that the secret power groups on this planet have been pulling the wool over our eyes (or perhaps we have agreed to have our vision obscured) for all the decades since they were contacted by similar off-planet groups and given limited access to these technologies.
Which leads to my final point.
4) We will have to solve any such problem by ourselves, without any possible help from outside forces (since no such exist).
Except that: There is a lot of very good evidence that such groups do exist, have already made contact with those who believe they are in power here, and have even struck deals with some of those earth groups.
If any of my four objections above are valid, that throws many of the "scientific" and "sociological" arguments made in the film out the window. And that, really, is my point. We should not trust these sources of information to "educate" us in these areas. They are being pushed in the direction of leading us astray, if not intentionally participating in the effort themselves.
Things are not always as they seem. I urge everyone involved with this subject to take a fresh look at the data supporting some of the assertions I have made above in a new unit of time. It is getting stronger every day. We should not continue to ignore it.
# 12711 bysailorbarsoom@... on Feb. 16, 2013, 11:41 p.m.
Member since 2021-10-03
The problem with studying the spirit in a scientific way is that the spirit, if it exists, is supernatural, meaning beyond the natural. Natural laws do not apply to the spirit. Natural limitations do not apply to the spirit. The spirit can not be studied in a scientific way, even if it exists.
# 12712 byelaurens.cox@... on Feb. 18, 2013, 1:14 a.m.
Member since 2021-10-03
Your comment:
My observation:
Why let definitions limit our scientific curiosity? I think the spirit is the most natural thing there is. What we think of as "natural limitations" are not incompatible with the concept of the spirit in the context of the freedom of choice to have limits.
As you probably know, I'm a Scientologist, so I think it's possible to make this leap and come up with something useful.