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Re: Petition to examine space based solar energy
# 12717 byBsanctuary@... on March 22, 2013, 12:26 a.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/task-office-science-and-technology-policy-examine-space-solar-power-new-energy-space-goal-us/fm8kxPQt

# 12718 bysailorbarsoom@... on March 23, 2013, 2:18 p.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

I signed it, and I put it on Facebook. My mom signed it. I don't know if anybody else did.

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# 12719 bysraj99@... on March 24, 2013, 5:03 a.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

Is it beyond the resources of NASA to deploy a 100m x 100m solar array in
geosynchronous orbit to produce one megawatt of power, to study
feasibility, economics and problems if any. Perhaps the space station crew
can assemble a deployable unit in their spare time, boost it to
geosynchronous orbit and then deploy it there.

(I continue to be a bit nervous about being zapped by microwaves)

Regards,
Selvaraj

On 23 March 2013 19:48, sailor.barsoom wrote:

# 12720 byjoe@... on March 24, 2013, 2:06 p.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

On 3/23/13 11:03 PM, sraj wrote:

> (I continue to be a bit nervous about being zapped by microwaves)

Don't be. The power density is less than half that of sunlight, and
you're not a wire mesh. You should be more nervous about going to the
beach.

- Joe

# 12721 bydinmont2@... on March 24, 2013, 9:26 p.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

I signed the petition after a little difficulty.

Hope everyone here did the same and encourages their friends to do the same.

We need to move up into space and we need energy.

# 12722 bysraj99@... on March 25, 2013, 2:16 p.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

It appears that a small space based solar power system is not practical??
Do we really need a 1Km dia transmitting antenna??..

Power beaming from geostationary
orbit by
microwaves carries the difficulty that the required 'optical aperture'
sizes are very large. For example, the 1978 NASA SPS study required a 1-km
diameter transmitting antenna, and a 10 km diameter receiving rectenna, for
a microwave beam at 2.45 GHz. These sizes can be somewhat decreased by
using shorter wavelengths, although they have increased atmospheric
absorption and even
potential beam blockage by rain or water droplets. Because of the thinned
array curse , it is not
possible to make a narrower beam by combining the beams of several smaller
satellites. The large size of the transmitting and receiving antennas means
that the minimum practical power level for an SPS will necessarily be high;
small SPS systems will be possible, but uneconomic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-based_solar_power

.. I was about to propose that we put into orbit thousands of small and
light, standardized and deployable solar arrays, of 100m x 100m typical
size, with self contained control systems. By keeping the size small it
will be possible to make the structural support relatively light.

Regard,
Selvaraj

On 24 March 2013 10:33, sraj wrote:

# 12723 bymikecombs@... on March 25, 2013, 3:48 p.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

The only way power-beaming from smaller-scale satellites can work is by using laser transmission rather than microwave. That has yet another set of problems. But there are some researchers in Japan doing studies in that direction.

Regards,

Mike Combs

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It appears that a small space based solar power system is not practical??
Do we really need a 1Km dia transmitting antenna??..

Power beaming from geostationary
orbit by microwaves carries the difficulty that the required 'optical aperture'
sizes are very large. For example, the 1978 NASA SPS study required a 1-km diameter transmitting antenna, and a 10 km diameter receiving rectenna, for a microwave beam at 2.45 GHz. These sizes can be somewhat decreased by using shorter wavelengths, although they have increased atmospheric absorption and even potential beam blockage by rain or water droplets. Because of the thinned array curse , it is not possible to make a narrower beam by combining the beams of several smaller satellites. The large size of the transmitting and receiving antennas means that the minimum practical power level for an SPS will necessarily be high; small SPS systems will be possible, but uneconomic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-based_solar_power

.. I was about to propose that we put into orbit thousands of small and light, standardized and deployable solar arrays, of 100m x 100m typical size, with self contained control systems. By keeping the size small it will be possible to make the structural support relatively light.

Regard,
Selvaraj

# 12724 byalglobus@... on March 26, 2013, 1:56 a.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

On Mar 25, 2013, at 7:16 AM, sraj wrote:

> It appears that a small space based solar power system is not practical??
> Do we really need a 1Km dia transmitting antenna??..

If you use microwaves from geosynchronous, something on that order is necessary, regardless of power level. This assumes a 10 km receiver.

However, if you use higher frequencies (e.g., IR laser), a larger receiver or get closer, the diameter shrinks linearly. Since IR frequencies are around (if memory serves) 10,000x or more shorter than microwaves, the minimum size shrinks dramatically. You need something on the order of a part of a football field.

# 12725 bysraj99@... on March 28, 2013, 2:18 p.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

Can one transmitting antenna of one Km diameter transmit 1000 megawatts of
power? Will it be able to handle the current, voltage, heating, etc.

Regards,
Selvaraj

On 26 March 2013 07:26, Al Globus wrote:

# 12726 bysailorbarsoom@... on March 29, 2013, 3:50 p.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

Unless 98,598 people sign this in less than a week, it expires.

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