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Re: Hypo- exceed hyper-thermia death rates (was Venus is not an example of runa)
--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, Joel 'Twisty' Nye wrote:
> Comparatively few people die of hypothermia compared to heat related deaths like heat stroke and dehydration.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6151a6.htm
"From 1999 to 2011, a total of 16,911 deaths in the United States, an average of 1,301 per year, were associated with exposure to excessive natural cold. The highest yearly total of hypothermia-related deaths (1,536) was in 2010 and the lowest (1,058) in 2006. Approximately 67% of hypothermia-related deaths were among males."
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6136a6.htm
"From 1999 to 2010, a total of 7,415 deaths in the United States, an average of 618 per year, were associated with exposure to excessive natural heat. The highest yearly total of heat-related deaths (1,050) was in 1999 and the lowest (295) in 2004. Approximately 68% of heat-related deaths were among males."
Within the time-span studied, the highest yearly total of heat-related deaths (1,050 1999) was lower than the lowest yearly total of hypothermia-related deaths (1,058 in 2006) in the United States. Your claim seems to be wrong, at least in the United States. Not only that, but a lot of "heat related deaths" occur on mild-temperature days and are a result of the popularity of automobile air bags, rather than hot weather:
http://www.ggweather.com/heat/
"Airbags vs. Heatstroke Deaths
In the three-year period of 1990-1992, before airbags became popular, there were only 11 known deaths of children from heatstroke .
In the most recent three-year period of 2009-2011, when almost all young children are now placed in back seats instead of front seats, there have been at least 118 known fatalities from heatstroke...a ten-fold increase from the rate of the early 1990s. (graphic)"
"VEHICLE HEAT STUDY
Study of temperature rise in enclosed cars on 16 dates between May 16 and Aug. 8, 2002.
Ambient temperature were between 72 and 96 degrees F."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Chicago_heat_wave 750 dead in Chicago alone, you also didn't include 1997 or 1998 two of the hottest years on record, not surprising.
Brooks
--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com 13250, "brooksn" wrote:
> --- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "hitssquad" wrote:
> > --- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, Joel 'Twisty' Nye wrote:
> > > Comparatively few people die of hypothermia compared to heat related deaths like heat stroke and dehydration.
> > Let's check with the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6151a6.htm
"From 1999 to 2011, a total of 16,911 deaths in the United States, an average of 1,301 per year, were associated with exposure to excessive natural cold.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6136a6.htm
"From 1999 to 2010, a total of 7,415 deaths in the United States, an average of 618 per year, were associated with exposure to excessive natural heat.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Chicago_heat_wave 750 dead in Chicago alone, you also didn't include 1997 or 1998 two of the hottest years on record
"Moreover, despite the quite inordinate, though all-too-human, focus by authorities and the media on extreme weather events, systematic data, where available, suggests that the death toll from chronic conditions exacerbated by coldbut not necessarily extremely coldconditions far exceeds the toll from extreme events. Studies done in cold and temperate climates in both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres show that many more people die during the colder months than during the rest of the year. It is estimated that excess winter deaths in various countries in the mid- to high-latitudes range from 315 per year in Cyprus to 108,500 per year in the U.S. in the Northern Hemisphere to 6,900 per year in Australia. Although these numbers are for a handful of countries, together they overshadow the 38,300 deaths per year worldwide from all extreme weather events estimated above for 20012010."
http://goklany.org/publications.html
http://reason.org/files/deaths_from_extreme_weather_1900_2010.pdf
"Wealth and Safety: The Amazing Decline in Deaths from Extreme Weather in an Era of Global Warming, 19002010, Reason Foundation, Policy Study No. 393, September 2011."
Really, the Reason Foundation, a libertarian think tank?
Brooks
--- In spacesettlers, "brooksn" wrote:
> Brooks
I know right? Because, after all, there's no way the drop in weather fatalities could be due to satellites (government space programs) and better roads for people to evacuate (government) and better emergency services (government), could it?
Yup, and looking at the number of events and economic damage increases instead of the lives saved by increased awareness, medical intervention, etc.
Brooks