It would be interesting to know how Mars and Venus did allegedly collide.

--- Monart Pon wrote:

rmenich@... wrote:
Monart Pon wrote,
"The human species has survived many "accidents" and catastrophesin the
past, from the World Wars of the last century, to the Plague inmedieval Europe,
to the planetary collisions of Mars and Venus in 1500 BC, describedby
Immanuel Velikovsky."

What respected astronomer believes that Mars and Venuscollied? Give me
a break. No, I don't believe that aliens built thepyramids, either!
Einstein, who was more than just a "respected astronomer", was a friendand colleague of Velikovsky, and believed that Velikovsky's theories wereworthy of serious study. Your bringing in the authority of "respectedastronomers"makes me wonder: Have you read any of Velikovsky's books first-hand orstudied the history of the irresponsible and unscientific manner in whichthe "respected astronomers", including Sagan, had treated Velikovsky'sheavily documented theories and validated predictions? And what relevancedoes your not believing that "aliens built the pyramids" (neither do I)have here, except as an example of your attempt to use the fallacy ofintimidationas an argument.
Monart
http://www.starshipaurora.com/

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Ryan Healey wrote:
It would be interesting to know how Mars andVenus did allegedly collide.
Here is a message I sent to another list that might help you find out.
Monart
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Starship Aurora <
http://www.starshipaurora.com
>
Starship Forum <
>

Subject:
Re: [ssi_list] Fwd: Re: [Starship_Forum] Planetary Chauvinism vs theHigh Frontier
Date:
Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:47:21 -0600
From:
Monart Pon
To:
ssi_list@yahoogroups.com
References:

king_rodent@... wrote:
<
>
> the planetary collisions of Mars and Venus in 1500 BC, describedby
Immanuel Velikovsky.
Um... WHAT?!?
(did I miss something here?)
It seems that you have missed something huge, but so have many other peoplewho have been left in the dark by "respected astronomers".
In light of the reminder by Mike, a co-moderator of this list, thatthis forum is for discussing "subjects related to SSI research", I willbe very brief and point you to books and websites to start you off.
Were there planetary collisions between Mars and Venus in c. 1500 BC,and other periods before then?
Velikovsky provided copious historical, geological, and astronomicalevidence for the thesis that not only did this occur, but that it occurrednear enough to Earth to have cataclysmic consequences on this planet, whichwere recorded in ancient documents and found in geological samplings.
To pique your curiosity: Why have not references to Venus been foundin any records prior to c1500 BC? Is it because Venus was not in the sameorbit then as it is now? Why did Mars gain prominence in records post c1500BC when it was barely mentioned in prior periods?
To read Velikovsky's answers these and a myriad of other fascinatingenigmas, begin with his 1950 book, _Worlds in Collision_, which sparkeda heated public debate and controversy that lasted decades, with attemptsby "respected astronomers" to suppress the book's publication and discussion.Other many books by him include: _Ages in Chaos_, _Earth in Upheaval_,and his last book, _Stargazers and Gravediggers_, which is his memoirsof the "respected astronomers" reaction to _Worlds in Collision_.
Books written about Velikovsky's work include: _Velikovsky Reconsidered_and _The Age of Velikovsky_.
Nothing can replace first-hand reading of Velikovsky's books, but onthe web, check out this resource site:
http://www.knowledge.co.uk/velikovsky/index.htm
An archive site of Velikovsky's unpublished writings, including correspondencebetween him and Einstein:
http://www.varchive.org/
On this same archive site is a video of a TV documentary presentingVelikovsky's theories.
http://www.varchive.org/bonds/bonds.htm
I hope this brief study guide will help you and others who seek knowledgeof that which is hidden but has vitally important implications.
Monart

Could the reason that people started noticing Mars and Venus be at around that
time be because that was about the time when they actually started noticing
that there were wandering stars?

Oh and I did some reserach of my own and found
http://www.skepdic.com/velikov.html which does a pretty nice job debunking him.

--- Monart Pon wrote:

Ryan Healey wrote:
It would be interesting to know how Mars andVenus did allegedly collide.
Here is a message I sent to another list that might help you find out.
Monart
~ * ~
Starship Aurora <
http://www.starshipaurora.com
>
Starship Forum <
>

Subject:
Re: [ssi_list] Fwd: Re: [Starship_Forum] Planetary Chauvinism vs theHigh Frontier
Date:
Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:47:21 -0600
From:
Monart Pon
To:
ssi_list@yahoogroups.com
References:

king_rodent@... wrote:
<
>
> the planetary collisions of Mars and Venus in 1500 BC, describedby
Immanuel Velikovsky.
Um... WHAT?!?
(did I miss something here?)
It seems that you have missed something huge, but so have many other peoplewho have been left in the dark by "respected astronomers".
In light of the reminder by Mike, a co-moderator of this list, thatthis forum is for discussing "subjects related to SSI research", I willbe very brief and point you to books and websites to start you off.
Were there planetary collisions between Mars and Venus in c. 1500 BC,and other periods before then?
Velikovsky provided copious historical, geological, and astronomicalevidence for the thesis that not only did this occur, but that it occurrednear enough to Earth to have cataclysmic consequences on this planet, whichwere recorded in ancient documents and found in geological samplings.
To pique your curiosity: Why have not references to Venus been foundin any records prior to c1500 BC? Is it because Venus was not in the sameorbit then as it is now? Why did Mars gain prominence in records post c1500BC when it was barely mentioned in prior periods?
To read Velikovsky's answers these and a myriad of other fascinatingenigmas, begin with his 1950 book, _Worlds in Collision_, which sparkeda heated public debate and controversy that lasted decades, with attemptsby "respected astronomers" to suppress the book's publication and discussion.Other many books by him include: _Ages in Chaos_, _Earth in Upheaval_,and his last book, _Stargazers and Gravediggers_, which is his memoirsof the "respected astronomers" reaction to _Worlds in Collision_.
Books written about Velikovsky's work include: _Velikovsky Reconsidered_and _The Age of Velikovsky_.
Nothing can replace first-hand reading of Velikovsky's books, but onthe web, check out this resource site:
http://www.knowledge.co.uk/velikovsky/index.htm
An archive site of Velikovsky's unpublished writings, includingcorrespondencebetween him and Einstein:
http://www.varchive.org/
On this same archive site is a video of a TV documentary presentingVelikovsky's theories.
http://www.varchive.org/bonds/bonds.htm
I hope this brief study guide will help you and others who seek knowledgeof that which is hidden but has vitally important implications.
Monart

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