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Re: Electromagnetic and atmospheric braking
# 15669 byTom Musgrove on Sept. 9, 2001, 3:30 p.m.
Member since 2022-08-22

I was thinking of additional braking methods for landing on the moon.

Could we take a lava tube, surround the interior with an electromagnetic
coil, and use that for the braking action? I was also thing we could fill
the tube with a gas and use the gas for atmospheric breaking requiring only
a very small atmosphere. (We have to store our mined O2 somewhere, using it
for a braking mechanism for craft seems reasonable.)

(One downside is that the density of the gas will be higher at the entrance
than at the end...)

Tom M.
TomM@...

# 15670 byDr. Omni on Sept. 10, 2001, 1:43 p.m.
Member since 2022-08-22

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> Could we take a lava tube, surround the interior with an electromagnetic
> coil, and use that for the braking action? I was also thing we could fill
> the tube with a gas and use the gas for atmospheric breaking requiring
only
> a very small atmosphere. (We have to store our mined O2 somewhere, using
it
> for a braking mechanism for craft seems reasonable.)
>

Why use a lava tube for electromagnetic braking? You can just use a mass
driver (perhaps with special adaptations) operating in "reverse mode": it
would convert the kinetic energy of the ship into electricity instead of
doing the inverse (and regular) operation. It could be located in the
surface as any conventional mass driver, and used to shot things to space
when there is no ship landing. Of course, the operation of sliding a ship
into a mass driver track at kilometers per second is risky at best - but
that would also be the case with the lava tube.

[snikt]
> Tom M.
> TomM@...
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Lucio Coelho

# 15671 byCombs, Mike on Sept. 10, 2001, 2:16 p.m.
Member since 2022-08-22

Why use a lava tube for electromagnetic braking? You can just use a mass
driver (perhaps with special adaptations) operating in "reverse mode": it
would convert the kinetic energy of the ship into electricity instead of
doing the inverse (and regular) operation. It could be located in the
surface as any conventional mass driver, and used to shot things to space
when there is no ship landing. Of course, the operation of sliding a ship
into a mass driver track at kilometers per second is risky at best - but
that would also be the case with the lava tube. One imagines that such an "inverse mass-driver" would have a "bugle flare"at the entrance. If the decelerating coils were using a "pull-only" method, then there would be a strong centering force. Damping out oscillations might be tricky, though.

Regards,

Mike Combs

# 15672 byTom Musgrove on Sept. 10, 2001, 2:45 p.m.
Member since 2022-08-22

Another consideration for using the lava tubes is that if the craft is
oscillating, then the force of the oscillation could in part be absorbed by
the lava tube wall, whereas it seems to me a free standing mass driver would
require a great deal more structure to withstand the oscillations.

Tom M.
TomM@...

# 15673 byHuebner, Jay on Sept. 10, 2001, 3:03 p.m.
Member since 2022-08-22

I don't understand this. Lava tubes turn corners, and so would not seem
useful.
Jay S. Huebner at jhuebn@...

# 15674 byTom Musgrove on Sept. 10, 2001, 3:29 p.m.
Member since 2022-08-22

Really? Never mind the tubes then, and chalk it up to my ignorance of lunar
(or any) geology.

Tom M.
TomM@...

I don't understand this. Lava tubes turn corners, and so would not seem
useful.
Jay S. Huebner at jhuebn@...

# 15675 bySirch Namdig on Sept. 10, 2001, 5:42 p.m.
Member since 2022-08-22

I didn't think any lunar lava tubes had actually been positively
identified as yet. Am I mistaken? If so, where have they been seen?

Chris.

# 15676 byCharles Radley on Sept. 12, 2001, 10:17 a.m.
Member since 2022-08-22

We actually know next to nothing about lunar lava tubes, they have not
been directly observed, although there are some candidate targets.

They probably turn corners, but they are probably too short anyway.

>
> Really? Never mind the tubes then, and chalk it up to my ignorance of lunar
> (or any) geology.
>

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