Charles, thank your for the reply, I have changed my email address.

In response to your posting found at

A lot of people forgot about the term "Lunarcrete" and other
important material(facts). I recall one MidWest Space Development
Corp(MSDC), Board meeting long ago that the prospect of loosing good
research or good material getting placed aside was high enough to
consider forming a space library. Some space pioneers would roll
over in their graves if they knew. Anyway, to answer your questions
and reply to your comments:

1. Lunacrete information can be found at: Beyer, Larry. Lunarcrete.
The L-5 News April 1983: page 4-6

2. Yes "...neither Bill Gates nor his company Microsoft has ever
create chips..." Have you seen Bill Gates Finical Portfolio?, I know
enough about the company that if things work his way, we are about to
see a lot more than we can imagine. He has invested a tone of money
in other companies related to his business and a lot of them are none
disclosed to the public*. Also having closer access to zero G will
help develop chips that will have equalization of crystal lattice
growth which is a big issue in materials science and NASA along has
spent an enormous amounts of resources on it.

3. You write:

"...It is orders of magnitude easier to make structural materials
than to make semiconductor chips..."

It is not only about creating structures, it is about return on
profit. You may want to read my article which may help explain why I
mix the two subjects:

Feel free to read an article about the effects of the space age on an
American Urban Society at the following link

*one source to look into: Best of The Nest, Investment Magazine,
November 1995, volume 1

Other references to the economics and social impact:

Section 7.0 - References:

1. Contemporary Society, Eighth Edition, John A. Perry and Erna K
Perry, 1997
2. Stellarnomics - The utilization of unlimited space resources
allocated to humanity in attempts to satisfy their unlimited wants,
Joe
Russo, 1996, http://gozips.uakron.edu/~jrusso/pub.html
3. Economics, Roger A. Arnold, June 1998, South-Western Pub
4. Material used to construct Lunar Bases, Joe Russo, 1986, Last
presented at 1995 MSDC Conference. Web site pending,
http://gozips.uakron.edu/~jrusso/luna.html
5. Commercial Space Act of 1998, (H.R. 1702),
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/zc105:H.R.1702.ENR:
6. 1999, Interview with Bryan Palaszewski, NASA John H. Glenn
Research Center, Lewis Field, MS 5-10, Cleveland, OH 44135, SBIR
Fuels and Space Propellants Web Site
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/TU/launch/foctopsb.htm
7. Prospace of America, "The CITIZENS' Space Lobby"
California, web page at http://www.prospace.org
8. SpaceVest Corp, One Fountain Square, 11911 Freedom Drive, Suite
500, Reston, VA 20190
web page at http://www.spacevest.com
9. NASA Authorization Act of 1997 & 1998, S1250
10. U.S. General Accounting Office report of 1999, web page found at
http://www.gao.gov/
11. 1995 Interview with John J. Nieberding at Advanced Concepts
Space Directorate
12. (15 U.S.C. 638), Authority contained in P.L. 97-219, as amended
(Small Business Innovation Development Act of 1982)
13. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
v/politics/special/whitewater/whitewater.htm
14. ProSpace of America web page on Cheap Access to Space found
at http://www.prospace.org/issues/cats/index.htm
15. Civilian Space Authorization Act of 1997 H.R.1275
(Four versions: H.R.1275.IH, H.R.1275.RH, H.R. 1275.EH,
AND H.R. 1275.RFS)
Proposed document found at
http://www.prospace.org/prospace/documents/99-taxcreditbill.htm

> over in their graves if they knew. Anyway, to
answer

Why ? Libraries are good.

> your questions
> and reply to your comments:
>
> 1. Lunacrete information can be found at: Beyer,
Larry. Lunarcrete.
> The L-5 News April 1983: page 4-6
>

Yes I know about Lunacrete.

>
> 2. Yes "...neither Bill Gates nor his company
Microsoft has ever
> create chips..." Have you seen Bill Gates Finical
Portfolio?,

Of course not, have you ?

> disclosed to the public*. Also having closer
access to zero G will
> help develop chips that will have equalization of
crystal lattice

That is only one part of the process of making a chip.
The rest has to
be done on Earth.

>
> growth which is a big issue in materials science and
NASA along has
> spent an enormous amounts of resources on it.
>

NASA spends money on lots of dumb things.

How much money are commercial; chip manufacturers
investing in space or
lunar production of crytals and/or chips ?

>
> 3. You write:
>
> "...It is orders of magnitude easier to make
structural materials
> than to make semiconductor chips..."
>
> It is not only about creating structures, it is
about return on
> profit.

You meant return on investment (not profit). Chip
manufature on Luna
will not compete with Terrestrial manufacture in any
predictable time
frame.

> You may want to read my article which may help
explain why I

> mix the two subjects:
>

Nothing about chip manufacture in that link.

>
> Feel free to read an article about the effects of
the space age on an
> American Urban Society at the following link
>

Why ? Does it contain an analysis of chip manufacture
costs ?

>
> Russo, 1996,
http://gozips.uakron.edu/~jrusso/pub.html

Nothing about chip manufacture in that link.

>
> http://gozips.uakron.edu/~jrusso/luna.html

That link is broken.

>
> 5. Commercial Space Act of 1998, (H.R. 1702),
>
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/zc105:H.R.1702.ENR:
>

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> http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/TU/launch/foctopsb.htm
>

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> 7. Prospace of America, "The CITIZENS' Space Lobby"
> California, web page at http://www.prospace.org

Yes I know Prospace.

Nothing there about chip manufacture.

>
> 8. SpaceVest Corp, One Fountain Square, 11911
Freedom Drive, Suite
> 500, Reston, VA 20190
> web page at http://www.spacevest.com

Yes I know Spacevest.

Nothing there about chip manufacture.

>
> 9. NASA Authorization Act of 1997 & 1998, S1250
> 10. U.S. General Accounting Office report of 1999,
web page found at
> http://www.gao.gov/

Yes I know GAO.

Nothing there about chip manufacture.

> 13. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
> v/politics/special/whitewater/whitewater.htm

What in the world does Whitewater have to do with chip
manufacture ?

=====

Joe, I see no basis in those references for your
claims that chip
manufacture on Luna would be profitable.

charles

Ok, this is the last time I will reply to the subjects
until I can finish my paper that I will post on my web
community.

Your reply to "...Over in their graves if they
knew..."

Why ? Libraries are good.

No Charles, sorry for the misunderstanding, roll over
that the research would be lost and forgotten.

I asked, Have you seen Bill Gates Finical Portfolio?,

Your reply: Of course not, have you ?

Yes, not all of it, but what is public record and it
is interesting. I did that type of research when I
had a license to sale securities. He invested in some
very high tech. companies he called seed companies.
Some of the investments even had a high probability
of no return at all, however if the seed companies can
become very creative and turn that creativeness into
an innovation that will add in new or existing
technology, it will achieve great things for this
world, including the use of robotics for space.

Yes, return on investments, not profit. I was typing
the words but thinking of the concept.

The links and information was courtesy for the other
readers too.

On the subject of Lunacrete:

about two days ago I wrote ... "Very high
concentration is important to construction material.
Used in Lunacrete is one example. I have some current
finding not ready for publication which will be
published on,
>
"

Your reply was "...Hmm, I had not heard that before.
Let us know when you publish your paper..."

But you are now writing to tell me you know what
Lunacrete is, so I am not sure what you had never
heard before. The construction material? That can be
found in many SSI publications. That I am writing a
report? I had informed you of that months ago when I
asked you to consider joining my web community.

Just trying to be helpful

Joe Russo

>
> about two days ago I wrote ... "Very high
> concentration is important to construction material.
> Used in Lunacrete is one example. I have some current
> finding not ready for publication which will be
> published on,
> >
> "
>
> Your reply was "...Hmm, I had not heard that before.
> Let us know when you publish your paper..."
>
> But you are now writing to tell me you know what
> Lunacrete is, so I am not sure what you had never
> heard before. The construction material? That can be

I have heard of Lunacrete.

I was not aware that high concentration of Si was important for
Lunacrete.

You references do not help wit that.

Oh, one last thing my friend, you say

"Joe, I see no basis in those references for your claims that chip
manufacture on Luna would be profitable."

Prior to the listing of references, they were classified about
resources, investments, and social impact. I never made a claim that
these references had anything to do with the direct methods, etc
with "Chip Manufacturing." I am not going to bore the audience with
that much detail, and I believe someone can see the investment
relationship.

Also, some of the references are about why the two subjects are
related in the terms of resources; recall the economic classes we had
to take to get a BS. I do not plan to make a debate about it over
the ssi link. Please feel free to email me directly instead.

Thank you

Ok, I see what part of information is lacking, I will
scan the related material on that detailed part pf
Lunarcrete and then ask the owner of this group if I
can upload it to the groups files.

Thanks

> Prior to the listing of references, they were classified about
> resources, investments, and social impact. I never made a claim that
> these references had anything to do with the direct methods, etc
> with "Chip Manufacturing." I am not going to bore the audience with
> that much detail, and I believe someone can see the investment
> relationship.
>

??? We were discussing chip manufacturing costs.

You quote a bunch of irrelevant references.

I am simply asking you to substantiate your claims about chip
manufacturing.

You failed to do so.

>
> Also, some of the references are about why the two subjects are
> related in the terms of resources; recall the economic classes we had
> to take to get a BS. I do not plan to make a debate about it over
> the ssi link. Please feel free to email me directly instead.
>

Not interested in private correspondence on this..

Feel free to substantiate your claims in public. I think it would of
general interesting for you to do so.