"Science" is a constantly evolving thing, that as far as i can see has NEVER
been "established". Every fifty years or so the 'hard facts" seem to
change. Since our precepts in Science of what "is" is so flighty, what harm
is there in acknowledging that in the final review, some of the so called
myths of certain peoples beliefs are not any more worthwhile?

> "Science" is a constantly evolving thing, that as
> far as i can see has NEVER
> been "established". Every fifty years or so the
> 'hard facts" seem to
> change. Since our precepts in Science of what "is"
> is so flighty, what harm
> is there in acknowledging that in the final review,
> some of the so called
> myths of certain peoples beliefs are not any more
> worthwhile?
>
> Seems ludicrous that a belief that has spanned many
> time longer than our
> recent "scientific"dogmas are useless and unworthy
> to be taken seriously.
>
> I have yet to hear a decent explanation of what some
> of the basic phenomena
> around us are or what makes them work...
>
> I give you gravity as one case in point. Many of us
> may be able to predict
> its effect on some of our actions, but say HOW it
> works? Might as well
> admit that it's unseen ghosts that do the effect. No
> proof either way... is
> there?
>
> :-)
>
> Live and let live.
>
> Scientific german called "H" proposed that germ
> theory was silly and that
> body energy levels or vibrations were the key to
> health... hence Homeopathy.
> Seems to work better than allopathic remedies for
> many people as long term
> cures rather than symptom cover-ups.
>
> Who's to say?
>
> Insulting to what ever modecum of intelligence we
> claim to have to state
> that present science is the only proper way to
> understand our
> surroundings...
>
> bob
> SLF
>
Yo, Bob, please note that the word "Science" is Greek
in origin and means nothing more than "knowledge". The
Scientific Metheod is something else again and is
merely a metheod of verifying that the knowledge we
think we have acquired is accurate. It really only
works because it seeks to DISPROVE any theory that is
incorrect. We can never PROVE a theory completely
correct without running an infinite number of
experiments which would take a really long time,,,but
we can DISPROVE a theory with a single wrong result
and then move on to something better.

Please don't waste our time with such intellectually immature material as
" ... Seems ludicrous that a belief that has spanned many time longer than
our recent "scientific" dogmas are useless and unworthy ..." I don't know
any scientist who says ancient beliefs are useless. But consider a few that
have been believed for a long time, like the flat Earth hypothesis. Just
how valuable is that? Or that the gods cause diseases. Or that rain which
falls on Earth comes out of windows in heaven? "Live and let live" you say.
When those ideas were dominant, human life expectedly was 35 years or so.
How that those ideas are viewed as ancient curiosities, we in the western
world can expect to live nearly 80 years. Yes indeed, live and let live
longer with modern science.
Jay Huebner

That's great about moving on to something better.... but is it right?

Message People, regarding the "keep an open mind" thread, while the subjects under discussion are quite interesting to me personally, I don't think we can relate them to the work of SSI in specific or even space in general. One can always continue such off-topic discussions via private E-mail. Thanks for your cooperation.
Regards,

So far I haven't heard of the Tongvu (sp?) people
themselves expressing any complaint about having a
celestial object named after a character from their
version of Creation. In fact I think it's a fine
tribute, and rather sweet, because now a lot more
people will know their story--thanks to "the
scientists." What's so bad about that? Maybe we should
be more apologetic about dumping used space stations
in their backyard.

Thanks !

> Thanks !
>
> the foolishness continues :-)
>
> I don't mean it in a bad way towards you Jay or
> anyone, but it sounds like
> the same argument passed around every fifty years of
> so about contemporary
> science and it's dogmas.
>
> I'm not advocating pesudo science like the energy
> beams from the pyramids,
> or acupuncture or using leeches to purge wounds or
> the benefits of eating
> raw /fermented foods or the benefits of hypnotism.
> Not even wondering about
> the fat fallacies in nutrition, the good uses of LSD
> to enhance the mind and
> the benefits of eating fish tainted with mercury due
> to our coal burning
> generating plants.
>
> It's just so many "truths" have been overturned in
> my short lifestime, I
> hesitate to be all-knowing and decide that NOW we
> know the facts about flat
> earth, quantum physics, light, gravity, ether of
> Space, etc.
>
> Even a simple thing like floride has been flipped
> out (so much for
> scientific method :-)
>
> One of my favorite reads is "1491", new discoveries
> of what life was like in
> Americas before the invasion. Seems people were
> quite long lived (similar to
> "today") had huge aquaculture and sustainable
> agriculture with a
> never-depleteing rich soil. No cavities (no Crest
> around). Of course in the
> same time period Europeans where living in rat
> infested cities a fraction of
> the size of the mezo americans, dying young as you
> aptly put and generally
> didnt have much of a life.
>
> Read it for some fun some time....
>
> Now about the flat earth :-)
>
> What does all the above have to do with space
> conquest? Hmm. Perhaps
> resurrect the lost knowledge of biological teamwork
> the mezo americans had
> 500 years ago for a sustainable eco system. Heavens
> knows the Scientific
> community did a wonderful job of Bio Sphere :-)
> Maybe the secret to
> respecting it is believing it IS from the window of
> God... heaven knows how
> much we respect man made resources :-)
>
> > But consider a few that
> > have been believed for a long time, like the flat
> Earth hypothesis. Just
> > how valuable is that? Or that the gods cause
> diseases. Or that rain
> which
> > falls on Earth comes out of windows in heaven?
> "Live and let live" you
> say.
> > When those ideas were dominant, human life
> expectedly was 35 years or so.
> > How that those ideas are viewed as ancient
> curiosities, we in the western
> > world can expect to live nearly 80 years. Yes
> indeed, live and let live
> > longer with modern science.
> > Jay Huebner
> >
> MODERN BELIEFS ARE TOTALLY HUMAN, SAME RATIONALS AS
FOR THE LAST 50,000 YEARS OR SO. gENETICISTS AND
ANTHROPOLOGISTS GENERALLY AGREE, MAXIMUM HUMAN LIFE
SPAN HASN'T CHANGED IN 50,000 YEARS, POSSIBLY MORE.
AVERAGE LIFE SPAN HAS CREPT UP IN THE INDUSTRIALIZED
SOCIETIES, DUE TO MORE CHILDREN SURVIVING PAST THE
FIRST YEAR AND BETTER SANITATION ALLOWING MORE PEOPLE
TO NOT BE EXPOSED TO PATHOGENS. IN THE SO CALLED
"PRIMATIVE" SOCIETIES, PATHOGENS WERE MINOR, IN LOW
CONCENTRATIONS AND THE ONES THE "PRIMATIVES" WERE
EXPOSED TO WERE THOSE THEIR ANCESTORS HAD ALREADY
SURVIVED, I.E. EVERYBODY HAD TOLERANCE FOR THEM.