Offworld real estate (was Ethicists Tell NASA...)

Makes sense. In any case no country is going to have the resources to eat
the whole cake. When countries do develop a huge appetite (very much in the
future) the issue can be revisited. Already on our planet, loyalty based on
nationality is giving way to corporate loyalty, so we can expect corporates
to fight it out in space too!?

Regards,
Selvaraj

P.S. Loyalty towards corporates seems to be reversing now with hard times.

On 11 April 2014 01:13, Al Globus wrote:

>
> On Apr 7, 2014, at 9:25 AM, <
> sailorbarsoom@...> wrote:
>
> How large an area can one person file such a claim on?
>
> I'm not proposing that claims be filed! I'm proposing non-interference,
> just like comsats. If you have an operation, say mining a lunar crater,
> then others cannot do anything that interferes with your operation. They
> can, however, mine another crater nearby, so long as they don't get in your
> way.
>
> Obviously, one needs a mechanism to decide what constitutes interference
> and what a credible plan is -- which is done right now and for many decades
> in the comsat world. It's not that hard, just needs some elbow grease.
>
> How credible does the plan have to be? Could you or I claim the Lunar
> poles (you get one pole, I get the other)? If claims are of limited size
> (1 Km^2, 100 Km^2?), can a person make multiple claims? The devil is in
> the details.
>
> I do agree with you that a mining claim doesn't have to include ownership,
> but I also agree that use rights need to be bundled together, in order to
> avoid the "we've got the right to dig up your front yard" problem which was
> mentioned before.
>
> You do it right, you can even preserve the "common heritage" stuff, w/o
> killing all enterprise.
>
> ---In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
>
> On Apr 7, 2014, at 4:01 AM, Joe Strout wrote:
>
> > It is true that no*body* is there, yet. Your argument seems to be that
> > we shouldn't establish any legal regime for property rights until we
> > already have people occupying it.
>
> No. As I have said several times, very clearly, there needs to be the
> right of non-interferance. I.e., nobody can get in your way once you have
> established a mining operation (or filed credible plans to do so -- just
> like for GEO comsat slots, which is a good model). That isn't the same as
> ownership.
>

Regards,
Selvaraj
P.S. Loyalty towards corporates seems to be reversing now with hard times.
On 11 April 2014 01:13, Al Globus
<
alglobus@...
>

On Apr 7, 2014, at 9:25 AM, <
sailorbarsoom@...
> <
sailorbarsoom@...
> wrote:
How large an area can one person file such a claim on?
I’m not proposing that claims be filed! I’m proposing non-interference, just like comsats. If you have an operation, say mining a lunar crater, then others cannot do anything that interferes with your operation. They can, however, mine another crater nearby, so long as they don’t get in your way.
Obviously, one needs a mechanism to decide what constitutes interference and what a credible plan is — which is done right now and for many decades in the comsat world. It’s not that hard, just needs some elbow grease.
How credible does the plan have to be? Could you or I claim the Lunar poles (you get one pole, I get the other)? If claims are of limited size (1 Km^2, 100 Km^2?), can a person make multiple claims? The devil is in the details.
I do agree with you that a mining claim doesn't have to include ownership, but I also agree that use rights need to be bundled together, in order to avoid the "we've got the right to dig up your front yard" problem which was mentioned before.
You do it right, you can even preserve the "common heritage" stuff, w/o killing all enterprise.
---In

spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com
,
wrote :
On Apr 7, 2014, at 4:01 AM, Joe Strout <
joe@...
> wrote:
> It is true that no*body* is there, yet. Your argument seems to be that
> we shouldn't establish any legal regime for property rights until we
> already have people occupying it.
No. As I have said several times, very clearly, there needs to be the right of non-interferance. I.e., nobody can get in your way once you have established a mining operation (or filed credible plans to do so — just like for GEO comsat slots, which is a good model). That isn’t the same as ownership.