Inferior Civilization? Forum: Spacesettlers
Thread: Inferior Civilization?
# 13585 bydjmitzlplick@... on Oct. 16, 2015, 12:41 p.m.
Member since 2021-10-03
Thanks Joe, for your response. Though I was thinking in a skewed direction.
Let's say we settle the moon with it's lighter gravity ... and the process of evolution being what it is, those who live there begin to change over time, adapting to the gravity difference.
Then we settle Mars, and like the moon, they change there as well.
Assuming a slow, yet continuing evolution, one might consider the varying evolutionary directions we could go - including (cyborg, uploaded, and even frozen heads) - is it possible that over multiple millenia of such evolutionary branches, and the full access to resources in the galaxy, that a species might evolve ... or to use Stargate's idea, transcend beyond what we consider civilization? Do the equations, and the Paradox address these posibilities?
I question that a civilization can survive through thousands of years, much less millions of years without the very fabric of that civilization changing. The very assumption (ref: the "classes" of civilizations) that a civilizations general appearance over such time frames will still bear any resemblance to what we share now seems ... arrogant.
Human history is replete with "civilizations" breaking up over a few thousands of years. Rome, Persia, the Maya and Aztec - even China has suffered, is suffering similar growing pains. I grant that the example is "human civilization", but I wonder if our limited experience has limited our view of where other civilizations might evolve ... as well as develop technologically. Technology isn't everything. It helps, but isn't the solution .. it is how those civilizations use knowledge and experience.
In other words, have the equations considered civilizations who learn and evolve beyond technological tools?
Let's say we settle the moon with it's lighter gravity ... and the process of evolution being what it is, those who live there begin to change over time, adapting to the gravity difference.
Then we settle Mars, and like the moon, they change there as well.
Now we potentially have three variants of humans. As we reach outward, I suspect that these three variants will each develop additional contributions to the spacefaring qualities of the species overall, further propelling us outward.
Assuming a slow, yet continuing evolution, one might consider the varying evolutionary directions we could go - including (cyborg, uploaded, and even frozen heads) - is it possible that over multiple millenia of such evolutionary branches, and the full access to resources in the galaxy, that a species might evolve ... or to use Stargate's idea, transcend beyond what we consider civilization? Do the equations, and the Paradox address these posibilities?
I question that a civilization can survive through thousands of years, much less millions of years without the very fabric of that civilization changing. The very assumption (ref: the "classes" of civilizations) that a civilizations general appearance over such time frames will still bear any resemblance to what we share now seems ... arrogant.
Human history is replete with "civilizations" breaking up over a few thousands of years. Rome, Persia, the Maya and Aztec - even China has suffered, is suffering similar growing pains. I grant that the example is "human civilization", but I wonder if our limited experience has limited our view of where other civilizations might evolve ... as well as develop technologically. Technology isn't everything. It helps, but isn't the solution .. it is how those civilizations use knowledge and experience.
In other words, have the equations considered civilizations who learn and evolve beyond technological tools?