Strength of materials and designs for space habitat Forum: Spacesettlers
Thread: Strength of materials and designs for space habitat
# 4653 byjohnf4303@... on Nov. 25, 2003, 4:52 a.m.
Member since 2021-10-03
>>I look at suspension bridges and consider the loads they can bear. It
>>makes me wonder about how an O'Neill habitat would actually be
>>constructed. In this spacesettlers group, I read that O'Neill calculated
>>the maximum size for a titanium sphere would be about 19KM.
>> Where can I find discussions of
>the forces on the hulls of space habitats with 1G environments?
>>I don't want to read too much about miraculous
new material. But I would like to see some simple discussions of the
centrifigal forces an how current materials measure up to the requirements.
result is useless to me except as a simple illustration. Especially since I
was converted to concrete...;-) The mass of solid metal is ridiculous. A
colony with a standard metal hull plus inert un-spun shell is still ~85%
rock. Concrete uses maybe 1/2 to 2/3 the amount of metal, in the form of
cables; cable get maybe 5 times the stress rating of beams or plates or
pressure shells of solid metal -comparing mass of metal to acceptable
stress.
My earlier posting here-- Article Review: "Concrete Space Colonies" #931
(3/26/2001)
As I recall, the biggest colonies they could build with acceptable known
methods was about 12km diameter, while the biggest they ever worked out in
detail is the Island 3 at ~7km.
>>Is it better to have cables radiating out from central support? Would a
>>torus or sphere be able to sustain the force vectors resulting from a 1G
>>spin?
>>How does the amount of "soil" or shielding affect the calculations?
>>I guess I am looking for links and pointers as much as answers...
>
>It's interesting that your raise the comparison of suspension bridges
>because that is the engineering example that was used in the original
>studies.
>
>Don't look for the cables within the Habitat: look outside. The cables are
>used to wrap the cylinder, torus or sphere and contain the loads.
I learned a lot about that from the "Concrete Space Colonies" article. The
colony is built with no spin, and the cables around the circumference are
only tightened up a bit during construction. As it's finished, they're
"tuned up" together. The cables provide a permanent crush, forcing the parts
together. The compression is comfortably greater than the total load -plus-
for a safety margin. The mass of soil and shielding is included in that
figure.
See also the original space colony studies online. The appendices have a lot
to say.
1975 studies, maintained by Al Globus
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O1E6612A6
>For the specifics on at least some of your questions, you can play with
>them in this spreadsheet I wrote. It calculates the rotation, atmospheric
>compositon, material loads, metal thickness, etc.
>
http://f5.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/EFjBP-
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20Space%20Station.xls
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