Try this ESP Experiment

Forum: Spacesettlers
Thread: Try this ESP Experiment

# 5594 bydarren@... on Aug. 7, 2004, 1:51 a.m.
Member since 2021-10-03

Justin,

Not as good as I would like, I came home and showed the same page to my
19 yr old daughter and was humbled by her spotting the switch in less
than 5 seconds, no photographic memory, just a mind that is VERY
accustomed to looking at things that are graphic, she didn't really read
the words so much as look at the graphics in front of her. She didn't
say, "WOW, it read my mind", she said, "What happened to the other red
king, that one wasn't there before." Like I said, very humbling. She
told me what had happened before she understood that she was not falling
for the trick, she couldn't understand how I took more than one look to
understand what was happening. At 44 and raised in a text based world, I
didn't really see the graphics, I read the cards as values, no red
coloured king shaped thing, I read KING OF HEARTS. My daughter was
raised in a graphic based world and saw a RED GRAPHIC of a given design
and didn't see the king of hearts. I wonder how many other things she
sees in a different way?

Darren

From: Justin [mailto:cybersattva@...]
Sent: Friday, 6 August 2004 11:47 PM
To: spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [spacesettlers] Try this ESP Experiment

SPOILER--don't read until you have played with TangoMan's puzzle

SPOILER SPACE

Darren, good catch! I fell for it too, until I pressed my browser's
back button and looked carefully at all 6 of the original cards. What
I find interesting is that I never would have figured it out if I
hadn't been able to "go back in time" and study the original
presentation. How often do people (salespeople and politicians spring
to mind) use tricks like this against us in everyday life, I wonder?
What could we do to protect ourselves, besides develop photographic
memories (and if there's a line somewhere for photographic memories,
let me know, I want in!)?

--Justin

From: Darren Brown
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:03:32 +1000
Subject: RE: [spacesettlers] Try this ESP Experiment
To: spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com

Tango,

Very good, in fact excellent but not really what it seems. Like most
people, I found this to be doing a very good job of "READING MY MIND"
for about 5 mins but then I did the science thing and tested it, with
nothing more than a good look and a bit of thinking it soon became
obvious what was happening.

The answer below, if you want to work it out yourself don't go down and
read it;

The answer,

What he is doing is very simple, the trap is one that many fall into,
people who are certain of what is going to happen or have a large
investment in an outcome. In a way it is the same kind of problem we
have with people only thinking that a planet is the place to build a
colony. He is giving us exactly what we are expecting, first he TELLS us
what is going to happen and then he gives us what looks like what we are
expecting. He shows us 6 cards and asks us to pick one and then he shows
us 5 cards and tells us that the one we picked is not there. Most people
will not be able to remember what 6 cards they are shown and if you look
you will find that none of the first 6 are shown in the second lot of 5.
He gives us 6 picture cards and then 5 different picture cards and tells
us that the card we picked from the first 6 is not in the second 5. This
is true but you then draw the wrong conclusion because he has told you
what to expect and so you trick yourself into agreeing with him, a good
magic trick.

Very Good.

Darren Brown

From: victoriatangoman [mailto:tango_dancer@...]
Sent: Friday, 6 August 2004 4:33 PM
To: spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [spacesettlers] Try this ESP Experiment

Ha ha. Let's see how long it takes for some of you programming
whiz's to figure out how the prediction rate is so high. LOL.

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/esp.html

TangoMan

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