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There's been lots of competition, rivalry, conflict and outright
enmity for *at least* as long as genus Homo has existed. Lots of us-
versus-them cultural identification for almost as long. It just
wasn't nationalism until that particular ideology developed. Pride
and loyalty were attached to dynasty, religion, liege, even region
and culture, but not to the specific synthesis of ethnicity and
state that constitutes the nation-state.

--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "terrierkeeper"
wrote:
>
> Actually, things really were very competetive in the begining.
>
> Competive between monarchs and their backers as Spain moved into
the
> New World.
>
> 'Nationalism' the view of Us vs Them probably started popping up
as
> an ideology earlier than 1800 and the French Revolution. The
French
> and Indian Wars was a very Us vs Them Conflict. With Pitt the
Great
> Commoner proclaiming the superior way of Britain which many
colonials
> in America readily picked up.
>
> As for a TV series, I too would love to see one set up.
>
> I envision a mini series of people starting over. Perhaps in the
> ISland Two phase where different types of colonies are built. with
> more people migrating upward to settle virgin space. Much like the
> westwards migration of America. Perhaps with national conflicts
> mixing in as they did the colonial era of the 1700s.
>
> Of course, History is my field and sometimes I dream of what the
> present and future might be like if certain thigns were done
> differently. SLIDERS had potential but unfortunately they just
have
> a feel to it. Perhaps if things had been done differently they
might
> have gotten some real interesting episodes. But sometimes I
imagine
> what society might be like if Key events in our history had done
> differently such as lay off the politics at least as far as
> insulting the majority of the American people. My novel is an
> alternate history work.So I have a fondness for tnhat kind of
> scenerio based works. For example what would our world be like if
> the 'Sexual Revoilution' had not happened or happened late. What
if
> America developed a Manifest Destiny movement towards the stars.
> What if the EU were less socialist and more conservative? Things
like
> that.
>
> --- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Wylie-Sears"

> wrote:
> >
> > > If nationalist prides had been in 1969 what they were like
over
> > three
> > > hundred fifty years ago ...
> >
> > Nationalism as we know it didn't really get going until the
1800s.
> > Before that there was still plenty for people to fight about --
> > religion, empire, and so on -- but nationalism, the ideology
that
> > state and ethnicity should be closely linked, didn't exist to
any
> > significant extent.
> >
> > --- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "terrierkeeper"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > As a student of history I have learned that the great
> achievements
> > > have been brought more through competetion than cooperation.
> > >
> > > The petty differences which divide are often the source of
> > identity
> > > and motivation. Though one can argue that these things are the
> > soruce
> > > of instability perhaps it is that instability taht forces
things
> > to
> > > get done.
> > >
> > > If nationalist prides had been in 1969 what they were like
over
> > three
> > > hundred fifty years ago it is possible that man would have
begun
> > the
> > > colonization process in space.
> > >
> > > --- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "Combs, Mike"
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> terrierkeeper
> > > >
> > > > > Overall, I would say it was about as exciting and as
> > > > > informative as watching Grass Grow.
> > > >
> > > > I find it thrilling, but I suppose only because there aren't
> > really
> > > any
> > > > other High Frontier film productions (I wouldn't count
Babylon
> > 5)
> > > that I
> > > > could unfavorably compare it to. But I acknowledge many of
the
> > > faults
> > > > you find.
> > > >
> > > > > Because of the cumbersomness of the technowlogy to produce
> > > > > it and limited length I won't fault it.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, that's an important consideration. Though IMAX movies
> > today
> > > can be
> > > > quite a bit longer, really none were being made longer than
40
> > > minutes
> > > > at that time.
> > > >
> > > > > Though I wish they had refrained from the futuristic
cloths
> > > > > and used the money for more computor graphics.
> > > >
> > > > You have to consider the era. Computer graphics is moving
so
> > > rapidly
> > > > that the state of the art from 1997 looks a bit lacking in
> > detail by
> > > > today's standards.
> > > >
> > > > > Having seen all the futuristic visions drawn of what a
space
> > > > > island interior would look like that artists have produced
> > > > > since 1973, I wish the producers had bothered to spand
some
> > > > > time with them.
> > > >
> > > > I agree. That one, brief glimpse of the torus interior just
> > wasn't
> > > > enough. Babylon 5 also shied away from providing many views
of
> > that
> > > > large, green, cylindrical interior. I guess there's
something
> > about
> > > > attempts to visualize these curving environments (especially
> with
> > > > people) that's considered very daunting to special effect
> > artists,
> > > for
> > > > some obscure reason.
> > > >
> > > > > The virtual reality chat room fel to me almost a
cheapening
> > of
> > > the
> > > > film.
> > > >
> > > > If you've read my review, you know I agree.
> > > >
> > > > > Certainly I am quite dispointed with the ending since I
do
> > > > > not see the space islands as gateways to space further out
> > > > > but as Man's Promised Land.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, for some reason there was a curious focus on colonizing
> > > the "outer
> > > > planets" (would that exclude Mars?). I'm not sure if that
was
> > the
> > > > Japanese influence, or what.
> > > >
> > > > But at least they did depict the first habitat building the
> > second.
> > > > Anyone with a bit of savvy can realize that there's really
> > nothing
> > > to
> > > > stop that accelerating process.
> > > >
> > > > > Just as I am quite diapointed with the them of That World
> > > > > Cooperation can achieve this. Excuse me, since the nations
> > > > > of the world have lost competativeness, they have ahieved
> > > > > hardly anything when compared to the Leaps and Bounds
> > > > > achieved during the Space Race between America and the
> > > > > Soviet Union.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, the bit of narration you refer to sticks in my craw as
> well.
> > > > Competition isn't bad, competition is good. It's petty
> > squabbles
> > > over
> > > > religions and tribal distinctions which are bad for us.
> > > >
> > > > But we must remember that although this might be the
slightly
> > more
> > > > intellectual corner of Hollywood we're talking about here,
it's
> > > still
> > > > Hollywood.
> > > >
> > > > > Overall It's good for borrowing but I am sorry to say
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