How to get to 10 trillion people in this solar system?

sorry to burst your bubble, but that kind of atitude cant really work
in space station. imagine a situation where someone want to change
the size of his home by removing the floor and some of the material
below it. its his home so he can do as he pleases. within days hes
dead from radiation poison and several of his neighbors are on the
way to following him.

heres another one.

a couple decides they want to have a child a year. its been done on
earth. one couple could have 100 children if they end up with
triplets.

or what about someone setting himself up like the guy in waco. he
fathered over 100 children in a few years.

i hear ppl talk about, 'if the population grows to much, just build
more'. the reality is that growing has to be done in large expensive
steps. it takes planning. it takes resources, some of which may not
be available right at that moment. it takes ballancing a lot of
materials. you have to make sure that there is sufficnet o2, co2,
nitrogen and hydogen as well as metals. you have to make sure you
have plenty of materials to make the control system. these things
have to be hunted for. and in many cases fought over. some of them
will be very expensive to gain.

in addition to that, you have genetic problems to deal with. on a
planet with 6 to 8 billion ppl, thats not a problem. but one a
station with 100 k ppl having one person take up a .1 percentage of
the next generations gene pool can cause trouble.

yes, one way of handling the population decrease is to bring in new
ppl, which will aid in genetic diversity, but there are problems
there too.

one thing many ppl, esp from places like america, will have trouble
with, is that in space, you will have less choice, less freedom. not
because of goverment, but because space is a very dangerous place.
ive read many stories written by good writers about ppl that demanded
the kind of freedom that you have on earth. in most of these stories,
disaster quickly followed. in others disaster was averted by the
sacrafice of many ppl.

phrases like "sabatoge medical supplies" suggest things like
genicide, murder, attepmts to maintain "racial purity", nazi (or
simular) atitude. this is nothing like that. i would appreciate not
being called that. i have not suggested it, nor do i beleive it
would be needed. i am however a realist.

--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "Don Davis"
>
> > no, it would not be that draconian.
>
> Am I hearing a suggestion to sabatoge medical supplies in order to
> advance a social agenda? There is an overriding immorality to
seeking
> to stand in the way of people having the family size they prefer, if
> any.I'm sure you mean well, but if you want a society that seeks to
> control choices for others in such a way the paperwork should state
> plainly that birth control is restricted in such a colony. Islamic
> and other religion dominated societies in a portion of future
habitats
> will likely do so, just as various countercultural movements will
work
> to make their hedonistic utopias in the sky. Openly broadcasting
just
> what society fits your vision of what is best at the time
applications
> are taken should attract enough willing participants if the ideal is
> shared by enough people.
> Choice is a right of all consenting adults in societies with
personal
> freedom related ideals. I hate the idea of societies such as Iranian
> or Teliban like cultures bringing up kids with no choice in the
> matter, but I don't know what to do about that.
> If the consensus birth rate is below replacement value in a given
> society it will either willingly die off by such general consensus
or
> if it is indeed that great people will want to immigrate to live
there
> and carry on what makes such societies desirable.
> Above all, I think a lot of people will want to set up or live in
> societies of their choosing off the earth largely to get away from
the
> kind of coercive social engineering they don't feel comfortable
with,
> whatever its origin.
> I have been a participant in an annual experimental 'art and
> scientifically creative' experiment in an isolated society called
> 'Burning Man'. Each year a large town emerges from nothing and
returns
> to nothing within weeks. It was for years an attempt at a 'tempory
> autonomous zone' with its own 'police', fire and medical staffs.
> The U.S. government then raised its ugly head and brought swarms of
> BLM rangers trained to act like aggresive cops, a modest Law
> Enforcement presence visible and undercover, and God knows whatever
> other federal agencies. they use enormous amounts of funds each
year,
> largely extorted from the Burning Man organization, to set up
> surveillance which has little to show for it but hundreds of petty
> citations given to people, mostly for urinating in imagined solitude
> out in the darkness or for smoking Cannibis, both detected by night
> vision equipment.
> I bring this up to illustrate that we are losing the ability to set
> up a society with values divergent from the increasingly dictatorial
> governments of Earth. Only off the earth can people truly start over
> and say goodby to invasive control freaks in power who are
escelating