satellite refueling and menstruation

Dear Terrierkeeper,

In principle you seem correct to say that when people use
maladaptive behaviors, they tend to extinguish themselves, and
another group of people who did not use maladaptive behaviors take
their place. But it's a lazy answer, "Don't worry, be happy." And it
doesn't apply here. We are talking about all of humanity now, not
one or another section of it, as in your examples, and we are
talking also of the responsibility that a person might have during
the critical period of time in which the behavior can still be
changed, stopped.

The reason we are talking about all humanity is that the earth is
taking on a kind of "world culture" instead of widely separated
groups of people who thus might have a chance to avoid contamination
or temptation. Communication has united us and it could unite us in
a death trap. So your comments become way less reassuring, unless a
reader really doesn't care if humanity survives or not, so long as
life somewhere survives. Which would be totally stupid.

No, we should be on humanity's side and we should be fighting now to
survive in the future. If enough Romans had struggled against the
maladaptive behaviors (notice how even now neither one of us spells
it out, exactly what is meant by that; cause we sure don't want to
be politically incorrect, or maybe uncharitable, to take a kinder
interpretation; but it is possible to tell the truth charitably, it
just takes balls), maybe Rome would have continued to dominate.
Maybe their system, which was pretty good, would have jumped us
ahead a few generations, maintained "the peace of Rome" a while
more, and we'd already be on a space colony by now. It mattered.
Maybe it even still matters, sort of like sound going out into the
universe forever.

I said in my other post, it's past time, men should get back in the
game, quit swallowing every piece of garbage the media pimps, quit
nodding and smiling, quit shucking and jiving. I stand by that in
spite of your literate answer. If you care about it, and you know
something is wrong, start speaking up, or change your own behavior.
Men could stop sleeping around--cause that's maladaptive. They could
start taking care of single and divorced and widowed women, letting
them, helping them be women again instead of the insanity of
the "single mom." Women need men, it's bullshit we don't. You guys
reading this could object every time the masculine role or men in
general are disrespected (I DO and I'm a woman). They could lean
heavier on the azzholes. They could start telling women to worry
less, there's gonna be more good men, hang on, and quit dressing
like whores by the way, please. The man reading this could quit
using pornography and promise himself that he will respect his own
manhood enough to express it ONLY with a real person who he wants to
make babies with. Forever. Lots of them. A kind of pre-colony move.
SO WE'LL GET THERE.

I can just hear a bunch of guys screaming, "we tried that! I tried
opening the door for her and she said..." Right, right. But now
we're ten or twenty years down the road, and what woman in her right
mind cannot see the handwriting on the wall with abortion and gay
marriage? Are we better off? Happier? Healthier? Look up some
statistics and you'll see the clear answer to all these is, No. So
you have a better chance now of convincing women to abandon
feminism, which, as we have been discussing, could actually wreck a
space colony and could kill mankind. And also which didn't develop
all by itself, only by women, by the way.

Hey, suffer me to say one more thing: if you're gay, look, I'm not
asking you to do anything that I myself am not obligated to do as a
single woman. I may not exercise "my" sexuality, because I am not
married. If I were to exercise "my" sexuality outside of marriage
and outside of the act of creation of new life, I would affect
society deeply even if slowly. It's just not "mine." And it's
not "yours," either. That is not to say either one of us won't be
lonely sometimes. It's something we can bear, though.

And I support you, I really do, as a gay person, your right to
otherwise dress and act however you feel moved, without
discrimination against you. And I speak up when I hear it. That
doesn't mean I have to rent a house to you and your lover, or
support your adopting kids. Serve kids in other ways.
Give up sex. Sublimate, for the sake of the whole. It worked for
centuries. The ability to do so is the mark of a quality humanity.
We need it now. I hope saying that makes reading it a little less
bitter. I know it must be, very bitter. You're not responsible for
being gay (well,I'm not responsible for being a woman, either, and
Joe Blow's not responsible that his dad died young, and all the
other rolls of the dice)but you can deal with it responsibly if you
choose to.

And the rest of youse heterosexual guys, get to work, would'ja?

Sorry to go on so,
Jan

--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "terrierkeeper"
>
> It is my observation that such medical 'innovations' once they
become
> openly available ultimately prove themselves harmful and are then
> withdrawn. Certainly I am appalled by western man's current
> scientific all out war on nature in humanity. Rather than embrace
> science and move to new fields such as space or build huge
> omnibuilding cities and cities under water. But we have actually
been
> down this path before during the Roman empire which made
> contreception freely available. Man ultimately rejected this
darkness
> and walked into the light so in the long run will those of us now
and
> in the future when we move into space.
>
> The US has the best system for developing and releasing
medications
> to the market but even that system makes mistakes. Norplant comes
to
> mind along with Thelidimide. This kind of chemical tampering with
the
> body smells of these things.
>
> As the discussion has gone so far, most expect once people move
into
> space the vast availability of resources will create a fertile
spirit
> which will lead to a baby boom. What happens after that is up for
> debate but I believe people as our ancestors who created New
France
> and New England did before them will grab hold of the great new
> frontier by creating large families.
>
> People who tend to indulge in debauchery tend not to be among the
> pioneering mindset. They will undoubtedly stay on earth. Remain
> infertile either by choice or by consequences of their actions and
> they will die out.
>
> --- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, "janet_baker76"
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear space settlers,
> >
> > I've been writing that blessed story I asked for help on
earlier,
> and
> > lurking, and wish to revisit several topics we discussed earlier
> that
> > have become elements of the story. The question is women. Yes, a
> bit
> > broad, that, let's narrow it,.
> >
> > It was pointed out that there may be a change regarding
population
> > once a space colony is up and running. We could go from feeling
> > overpopulated to feeling underpopulated. The question was asked,
> how
> > will be induce women to have children again?
> >
> > But no, it's more than that. How will we induce women to
menstruate
> > again? We are within weeks of menstruation being optional with a
> new
> > hormone regimine available in pill form ready for government
> approval.
> > It will be approved, have no doubt. Women will now take that
last
> step
> > into being full blown little men, with unending work hours, no
> break
> > at all for (also optional) pregnancy, no "light work" days for
> those
> > crazy enough to choose to continue to bleed. We can expect that
> > employers will make suppression of menstruation officially or
> > unofficially mandatory, in fact, just as it is officially or
> > unofficially mandatory that children must never, ever interrupt
the
> > flow of the workday and profits. Women will be expected, now,
> to "pull
> > their own weight" in the job market on the basis of justice, of
> > fairness, and, we will never mention it openly, of profits. If
that
> > takes doing a certain amount of subtle violence to the female
human
> > body, it is worth it, the marketeers will tell us, to end the
> > dominition of PMS forever ("you know why they call it PMS? they
> will
> > joke. Because Mad Cow Disease was taken.").
> >
> > How will we induce women, in fact, to be women again, now that
> society
> > is in full open war against womanhood itself?
> >
> > Because we fear overpopulation so much, we have simply made it
> almost
> > impossible for women to be women. You will not cure that by
> > withholding hormones (the plan we were discussing, as I recall--
> need
> > more workers on the colony? Just "forget" to make birth control
> > chemicals or mechanicals) if you continue to advocate and plan
for
> a
> > society that does not recognize and appreciate the differences
> between
> > men and women and recognize a more forgiving definition of
gender
> > equity that allows women to be women without giving up a place
of
> > respect in society or a means to support oneself. Make a place
for
> > people who are a little wiggy once a month. Make a place for the
> > natural in the new world. Make a place and a time for women to
> rest.
> >
> > Otherwise, if you call for population growth by whatever means
> > necessary without adjusting other features in society, you are
> calling
> > for the worst kind of slavery for women, and you can expect the
> same
> > kind of strange fruit that always eventually grows from
oppression,
> > that is, failure. Unfortunately it could mean failure for the
> colony
> > and for the human race.
> >
> > Men such as yourselves who obviously care about the future of
the
> > human race must begin NOW to fight for womanhood as a right
> (instead
> > of the false "right" of abortion, the false "right" of some kind
of
> > total "ownership" of the female body). That has lots of
> implications,
> > socially, legally, culturally, economically (for example, men's
> wages
> > have fallen for decades in relation to women's wages--that's how
> the
> > great leaps forward in women's wages have been possible, and
they
> are
> > in fact a mirage--and this should stop. Men should earn enough
to
> > support a family NOW, not on a future colony, and should be held
> > accountable to do so, for that matter. Make it economically
> possible
> > for women to have children NOW and we will not face the problem
in
> the
> > future, and in fact, we will support the drive for colonization
> now,
> > as well. The two concepts are linked. They are linked to a great
> many
> > other concepts as well that are fertile ground for fiction and
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