Boys and Girls in Space

--- In spacesettlers@yahoogroups.com, jwsmith42000@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/25/2006 8:04:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> dehammer@... writes:
>
> Again you are thinking very logically. In Florida we have a law
that says in
> like situations the owners must vacate, period at the end of a set
period of
> time. This could be included in the contract.
> And on how to enforce that. I do not yet know. I know how I would
do it on a
> planet but not in a space city. Got to think about that one.
>

thanks for the complement. unfortunately, the contract is only as
good as the enforcement, on both sides.

>
> Well, in that particular sentence I forgot to add the rejoinder:
Except in
> self defense. An opposition to a violation of the contract would
considered self
> defense. This is why we always have someone read over everything
we write.
> This type of error could be very costly.
>

there would also have to be some for of court that was not in the
station, and not obligated to either side. they would have the final
determination over who was the one that did not live up to contract.
but you are very right about how costly this could get: life or death
is not out of the question.

>
> Again I understand your reasoning but actually I would not care. I
would give
> them a chance to survive if they were as good and smart as they
thought they
> were. They would be able to live a natural life span floating
around in space
> as long as they wanted to take care of the equipment they were
given. There
> are a lot of ways to say it. You Play - You Pay, or If you cannot
do the time --
> do not do the crime.
>

again, there is the problem of determining if there is actually a
crime. what do you do about someone that becomes disabled due to the
station having flaws. or cancer. or one of many genetic problems that
would not show up before they arrived. then when it hits they cant do
much of the work they were suppose to do. having sunk every penny
they could hope to scrap together, plus mortgaged their future to the
hilt, there is no way they can afford to buy their way home. By the
standards you have stated, this makes them criminals and by the
contracts, executable by slow boat

>
> I do not know why you are fixated on slumlords. They provide a good
service
> to people who do not deserve service of any kind. I agree that the
world would
> be better off without the slums but it would also be better off
without the
> people in them. People stay in slums because they want to. No one
forces them to
> do that. Every person in every slum that I have ever been in has
always had a
> way out. They do not want to get out by their own effort. They want
you to
> give them a way out and then they make the new place a slum as bad
as the old
> one.
> To boot all slums are created with the help of the local government
and
> generally the property owners have no control with what happens.
40% of all slum
> buildings are abandoned by their owners because the city will not
allow them to
> be fixed up.
>

sorry, but this is sooooooo wrong that it hurts. as someone that once
lived in a slum, i can tell you that ppl that live there don't do so
by choice. It takes money to get out and if your family is all in the
same boat, who gets out. on very rare occasion you will see someone
that gets out on a scholarship, or though some manner of combination
of both luck and extreamly hard work. luck is not something that
everyone has, nor is the ability to do that kind of work. for some
the military is a way out, but not for most.

most of the abandon buildings are abandoned not because the city will
not let them, but because the slum lords dont want to spend the money
the city demands they spend to get the building up to the level that
it would be safe for someone to live there. in space there are no
city authorities to demand that building codes are met.

>
> I disagree with this strongly. You have a lower estimate of humans
than I do
> and most of them are better than you picture here.
>

the estimate i have for some is the result of what i have seen, and
have experience. I will agree that the majority are better, but
unfortuantely, as long as we are humans (as we know us), we will
always have the dark side of human nature. as long as it exist, there
will be those who choise to give in to the dark side (sorry i had to
say that)