Boys and Girls in Space Forum: Spacesettlers
Thread: Boys and Girls in Space
# 8328 byxenophile2002@... on June 26, 2006, 5:15 p.m.
Member since 2021-10-03
--- In spacesettlers, jwsmith42000 wrote:
>> OK. So it was meant for all. Anybody who questions you looks silly.
> I said that because I knew that instead of asking questions so that
> you could understand what I was aiming at, you would come out making
> outlandish statements, which you did, that make you look silly.
Except that I didn't. I started by stating that I would follow your
reccomendation: "Don't like how I think, go elsewhere." I stated that
I would follow this advice "With pleasure." I also stated why, in
fact, I did *not* like how you think, and would therefore go
elsewhere. I also asked some questions and presented a hypothetical.
I did however make a mistake, which I will address below.
> This is true but instead of coming out of the box wanting to fight
> you could ask for further explanation or ask why I arrived at that
> conclusion.
While it might be interesting to know how and why you arrived at your
conclusion, I was more interested in how you would deal with the
consequences of it. Perhaps the fact that I ranked these two
interests (how conclusion was reached, how to deal with consequences
of same) in the opposite order that you thought I should is silly to
you, but hey.
> Instead you came out "I ain't gonna do it" "You cannot make me do
> it" and you looked silly, like a 5 year old in a sand lot.
Except that I didn't. You made it clear that your sandlot follows
your rules, with no room for negotiation, and that anybody who didn't
agree should find another sandlot. I stated that I would take your
'my way or the hyway' mentality into account, and choose the hyway. I
then asked what you would do if somebody pulled the 5-year-old "you
can't make me" routine. However, I used myself as the hypothetical
cheat, and that was a mistake. Even though I prefaced it with "Now, I
like to think that I'm too honest a guy to pull something like
this," it was a mistake, because it makes it sound as if I am plotting
to pull this stunt. I should have created a hypothetical "Mr. and
Mrs. Smith." This way the discussion is about "how would you deal
with this?" instead of "why is Xenophile such a jerk." Using a
hypothetical, dishonest version of myself was BIG mistake, and perhaps
even silly/foolish. Well, you live and you learn.
> Other people on this list did it, why couldn't you.
You make an assumption here.
> There is a way to get your answers and never be wrong or silly.
The way to never be wrong is to never say anything. I'd rather risk
being wrong every now and again.
> In Florida we have a law that says shot and then ask questions. I
> agree with this. If you never want to face such a situation, you
> conduct yourself in a civilized manner. Say what you are going to do
> and do what you say you will do and you will be alright most of the
> time. Try to get funny and you get dismissed.
The Florida law only allows you to shoot first ask questions later in
certain circumstances. So Mr. Smith shoots you when you come to kick
him out. Well, using your own rules...
>>> by exiling you in any manner I so choose as long as I do not kill
>>> you. I would do so and keep your $50,000,000.00 as compensation
>>> for my efforts and your deception.
>> And when you walk up to this lying, selfish couple
Now identified as Mr. and Mrs. Smith, please. Again, my mistake.
>> and say "GO!" what if they say "NO!" Do you pitch them out
>> personally? This is fine as long as you are bigger than the guy you
>> are exiling. What if you are not? And please, don't tell me that
>> you're bigger than anybody. There's always somebody bigger. What
>> if you are bigger than him, but not bigger than he and his wife put
>> together? He, his wife, and the big friend who has joined them?
>>
>> Again, yes, the guy who pulls this is a liar. He is a fraud. He is
>> a terrible excuse for a human being, and his wife is as sorry a
>> piece of work as he is. But if you have a way of exerting your will
>> on them, then you are either the government or an agency of the
>> government.
> I am only the owner of my self. I am only a self governor.
You are not the owner of the colony? Then from where, whom, or what
to you get the authority to do jack about Mr. and Mrs. Smith, me, or
anybody else not following some set of rules? Where do you get off
making rules in the first place, if you only own yourself?
> When you infringe on my space, yes them I become governor of what
> you are doing and I will take appropriate action. I will use as much
> or as little force as is possible to get you out of my jurisdiction.
> What ever it takes.
OK, I'm going to try a different wording, and see if that helps. I am
going to ask this as precicely as I can.
Where does your force come from?
You state that you are prepared to use it, that it is your right to
use it, that you are justified to use it. But where does it come
from? I might be JUSTIFIED in machine-gunning the burgler who kicks
down my front door, but if all I have is a BB gun, then it really
doesn't matter how much force I am JUSTIFIED in using, does it? So
when the Smiths say "Nanny-nanny-boo-boo" (because they are indeed
like 5-year-olds in a sandlot... BIG 5-year-olds), how do you bring
force to evict them?
> The rest of what you write is just more of the same.
Well, I keep trying.
> Had you addressed this in a manner to learn you would now know a lot
> more.
If I did things the way want me to. This isn't your colony.
> Instead you open up in a combative manner which is not a way to
> induce intelligent conversation, so I am not going to answer any
> more.
"Don't like the way I think, go elsewhere."
Nothing combative in that, eh?