Men and Women in Space

Hi,

> > I said I am using the Catholic Church's
> > defintion of ideal sexual morality as enunciated in the
catechism
> > and calling this definition Christian. I certainly stand by that
> > definition, and I'm allowed, since I was the person discussing
an
> > ideal morality in the first place, one kinder and gentler to
women,
> > kids, and the world than the one promised by liberality.
>
> Alright, so you are a fan of Catholicism, that gives your numerous
> extremist comments suitable context.

Pretty absurd comments are yours, friend. Take myself as an example.
I am agnostic, not Catholic. However, I DO BELIEVE the ethics of the
Catholic church are excellent.

>I'm sure you will be among the
> first in line when the Church of Rome takes applications for its
> colony. If you think people who have a different view of society
>are
> morally inferior,

People is morally inferior because of their ACTIONS, not on their
views. If someone commits inmoral acts, of course is inferior.
That's all.

>whatever their religious world views, that is >your
> right and I hope you are able to find an ideal society to your
>liking
> along with the myraids of others who will be filling space colonies
> with their brands of like minded people.
> My space colony will be something like Burning Man
> (http://www.donaldedavis.com/PARTS/BMINTRO.html) before the
> harrassment by the BLM was commonplace and something like the
>Haight
> Ashbury idealistic movement when people were open to new ideas, new
> living patterns, new music and new states of consiousness.

Jesus! What kind of community are you going to found up there? A
Rastafari marihuana-smoking society? Or a Playboy fun-house in space?
"New states of consiousness" sound to me like a New Age manifesto.
What are you going to eat up there, colored crystals or high
vibrations?

>There will
> be no guns, not even for the cops, no snooping into our bedrooms,
> bladders, and brains, no bigotry and especially no imposition of
> restrictions based on religious values. Consenting adults can do
>what
> they wish among themselves without some athority figures deciding
>to
> try to make the private life of others their business.

Do you really think a colony could run in such a disorder?
No, you will need people that colaborate in peace, that follow
discipline, that have a common goal and the dream to form a new
home. They will look more like early pioneers rather than the people
living in a modern and decadent city.

> A strength of the space colony idea is that it offers hope to
>those
> who yearn for living according to their ideals, too often something
> being taken away by 'muddled majority rule' restrictions enforced
>by
> uniformed thugs with guns. This applies to liberals, John Birchers,
> nudists, religious fanatics Christian or not, and 'Dick and Jane'
> milktoast American ideal family groups. All deserve a chance to
>create
> societies to their liking in independent enviornments.

True. Let's see how long those expiremental societies survive in
Space. I am quite sure necessity will change them soon enough.

>All deserve to
> be left alone by others.

In Space? Yeah. You must be kidding.

> Unfortunately, there are a lot of people in ruling ranks of
>society
> who take an unhealthy interest in what consenting adults do among
>each
> other, what they read and what kind of intoxicants and intimacy
>they
> enjoy among themselves.
>They seek to wipe out such things that they do
> not understand and think should not exist.

They do understand. It is just they find it disgusting.

>They wish entire groups >of
> otherwise functional people would dissappear.

If you ask me, I wish the group of criminals, drug addicts and
irresponsable people just evaporate in the air. Well, that's just a
dream,

> When governments try to regulate the reproductive lives of people
> under their power, the results are often ugly. We have the case of
> Nazi Germany, which outlawed abortion as soon as they got in power,
> and generally disenfranchised women from the work force. America
> encouraged women to work, and this was one of the deciding factors
> in our victory in World War II. More recently, we have pre
>revolution
> Romania and present day China, one which monitored monthly cycles
>to
> register and force the completion of all pregnancies, the latter
>doing
> so to enforce abortions. Both are repungnant and contrary to common
> decency,

I agree with you in that point.

> if there can be said to be such a thing in the multicultural
> cacaphony that is the human Race.
> The idea that we have to compulsively abundantly breed is an
> ingrained product of ancient high death rate conditions,

Wrong!!! The problem is quite simple. If you stop reproducing you
are a dead duck. You are extinct. It's not necesary to form a tribe
by yourself, but just to allow live to continue living after you are
throw to garbage inside a coffin.

>today people
> are cared for so well compared to even 100 years ago that we have
>to
> ease up on the production rate in order to avoid having
>enviornmental
> conditions get out of hand in order to maintain decent standards of
> living for all these people. Women will try to limit the number of
> children they have as they become aware of better lives they can
>have
> by rising above third world standards of living.

That's idiotic. If you guys in the so called FIRST world stop having
children the only think that will happen is that the THIRD world
will replace you inside your country. That's so easy to see.

> Part of the very desire for Space Colonization is an excersize of
> the world view given us by science and philosophy that we can
>direct
> our own destiny as a species.

Space will be colonized by economics. Not by science or phylosophy.
That's the way history works.

> I can remember as a child, and I'm not quite old yet, a world
>with
> only half the population of the world of today. That is a
>terrifying
> thing to contemplete when you consider it took from the beginning
>of
> Humanity roughly up to a million years ago (by Human I mean someone
> with sufficent genetic compatability to modern people to have
healthy
> children with) to the early 1800's for the population to reach ONE
> BILLION.

Look. Too much statistics reading can be bad for your mental health.

>That number was added to our fragile Earth in the last 12
> years!!! How much can we ask of poor Gaiea? If there is a mass
> realization of this state of affairs in the industrialized workd it
> should be taken as a good sign. Even if the population declines to
>a > fraction of that of today that should be seen as only a smooth
> progress to an ideal population level.

You don't see the whole picture, eh? Is not the developed world the
one that has to stop reproducing fast. Is Africa, India and the
Sudest Asia. From there the population problem comes.

>The number of people really
> required to keep the Human race going isn't really large at all.
> It is suggested that the 'ignorant third world breeders' will
> ultimately take over the Earth because the industrialized world
>will
> die out.

That's what is happening right now. But the third world is not
ignorant at all. It knows what is doing.

>Let me repeat that only a replacement level at a level far
> less than today is really needed. If a few generations don't quite
> replace themselves it will mean a less crowded richer society that
> will be emulated by others made aware of why such places are so
> desirable. They created their reality for themselves and as people
> become informed and elevated above third world status they will
>also
> create better realities for themselves. Just as in Soviet Russia,
> efforts to keep mass media away from young people will be doomed to
> failure. Some day even Afghanistan will be filled with televisions
>and
> increasingly dissatisfied youth sick of Islamic restrictions on
>their
> lives.

But that time, if things follows like go now, both the people of
Europe and of the United States of today will be part of history.
They will only show in old movies. Don't tell me I did not warn you.

Well, I should not be concerned. After all I am an ignorant South
American that lives in the THIRD world. lol

Regards,

Omar Vega